If you apply at Colgan
02-10-2010, 01:00 PM
#51
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*the fo in the story had a personal dispute with the captain and thought he would not get in trouble for turning in the captain for flying overweight. At the end of the day they were both guilty because they both knowingly left the ground that way.
*Most of the examples given about pilot pushing were things that went on in the days of outstations and no over nights. I have worked here over 2 and a half years and have had less than 6 days over 14 hours and over half of them were because of something I picked up, not something I was scheduled for.
*Our union has passed several LOA's with management that have made this a much better place to work.
*I spent last weekend in a hotel pay protected for my trip while in the same hotel a Republic crew and their 4 day trip was down to 6 hours pay credit because they are not pay protected for weather. I was protected to 20 hrs of credit for 5 legs.
*Espress Jet has more daily departures in IAH than CAL and almost as many departures in EWR as CAL (so who's really hurting the insdustry).
We don't need to point fingers at other pilots and we don't need to point fingers at other regionals, We need to work together to make things better or if you really hate things that much then do us all a favor and quit. Regardless, shut up, I am sick of hearing how unfair your aviation career is because of Colgan.
*Most of the examples given about pilot pushing were things that went on in the days of outstations and no over nights. I have worked here over 2 and a half years and have had less than 6 days over 14 hours and over half of them were because of something I picked up, not something I was scheduled for.
*Our union has passed several LOA's with management that have made this a much better place to work.
*I spent last weekend in a hotel pay protected for my trip while in the same hotel a Republic crew and their 4 day trip was down to 6 hours pay credit because they are not pay protected for weather. I was protected to 20 hrs of credit for 5 legs.
*Espress Jet has more daily departures in IAH than CAL and almost as many departures in EWR as CAL (so who's really hurting the insdustry).
We don't need to point fingers at other pilots and we don't need to point fingers at other regionals, We need to work together to make things better or if you really hate things that much then do us all a favor and quit. Regardless, shut up, I am sick of hearing how unfair your aviation career is because of Colgan.
02-10-2010, 01:07 PM
#52
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the pilots qol, pay, and time off at colgan arent even on the same page as other regionals. Are you a professional? then why dont you value yourself enough to demand to get treated like it. XJT having more departure then CAL is an entirely different discussion. This discussion is about pilots and pilot applicants rolling over and accepting a completely unacceptable deal in order to????
02-10-2010, 01:15 PM
#53
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drummer- Don't bring up XJT. They have nothing to do with this.
We, Colgan Pilots just need to worry about running a safe operation. Period.
We, Colgan Pilots just need to worry about running a safe operation. Period.
02-10-2010, 01:22 PM
#54
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Colgan might have a line out the door for jobs right now but we'll see what happens when the industry starts hiring en masse again. Might end up like Mesa where people walk away for other regionals just to get away from such an awful operation. We'll see how they "move the rig" then.
02-10-2010, 01:38 PM
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*the fo in the story had a personal dispute with the captain and thought he would not get in trouble for turning in the captain for flying overweight. At the end of the day they were both guilty because they both knowingly left the ground that way.
Who cares if he had a personal dispute withe the CA? They flew illegaly.
*I spent last weekend in a hotel pay protected for my trip while in the same hotel a Republic crew and their 4 day trip was down to 6 hours pay credit because they are not pay protected for weather. I was protected to 20 hrs of credit for 5 legs.
You're supposed to get that. Do you want a cookie?
*Espress Jet has more daily departures in IAH than CAL and almost as many departures in EWR as CAL (so who's really hurting the insdustry).
Colgan.
We don't need to point fingers at other pilots and we don't need to point fingers at other regionals, We need to work together to make things better or if you really hate things that much then do us all a favor and quit. Regardless, shut up, I am sick of hearing how unfair your aviation career is because of Colgan.
And I am sick of regional FOs claiming that everything is all good now that they passed a few insignificant LOAs, all the while this whole time their regional has grown by bottom feeding and taking over flying and by doing it with virtually no work rules.
Who cares if he had a personal dispute withe the CA? They flew illegaly.
*I spent last weekend in a hotel pay protected for my trip while in the same hotel a Republic crew and their 4 day trip was down to 6 hours pay credit because they are not pay protected for weather. I was protected to 20 hrs of credit for 5 legs.
You're supposed to get that. Do you want a cookie?
*Espress Jet has more daily departures in IAH than CAL and almost as many departures in EWR as CAL (so who's really hurting the insdustry).
Colgan.
We don't need to point fingers at other pilots and we don't need to point fingers at other regionals, We need to work together to make things better or if you really hate things that much then do us all a favor and quit. Regardless, shut up, I am sick of hearing how unfair your aviation career is because of Colgan.
And I am sick of regional FOs claiming that everything is all good now that they passed a few insignificant LOAs, all the while this whole time their regional has grown by bottom feeding and taking over flying and by doing it with virtually no work rules.
02-10-2010, 01:59 PM
#56
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You're - not "your". OK, maybe we let that one go....
-but-
"Paided" for everything. Really? "Paided" for everything.
What do you have do get a job at that place? Not be currently on parole and be able to put all the blocks through the correct holes in a toddler's shape sorter?
Finally, don't insinuate that Sully & Skiles are in the same league as these others.....you embarrass yourself.
-but-
"Paided" for everything. Really? "Paided" for everything.
What do you have do get a job at that place? Not be currently on parole and be able to put all the blocks through the correct holes in a toddler's shape sorter?
Finally, don't insinuate that Sully & Skiles are in the same league as these others.....you embarrass yourself.
LOL!!!!!!! Sometimes when writing on the iPhone it tends to add stuff or maybe I'm just a ruh-tard.
02-10-2010, 02:01 PM
#57
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Guys lets look at the big picture here. Instead of badmouthing and fingerpointing at each other we should be uniting together against that As%^&le Cohen. Thats the big problem. When the guy at the head of the industry does not think there is a problem then we will never get anywhere. I don;t think anything uncovered in that special last night DOES not or HAS not happened at your "platinum" regional. I seem to recall another carrier taking off on the wrong runway a few years ago. Didn;t we all learn during instrument training to check the DG against the runway heading? Same way we learned stall recovery? But something happened. The crew made a grave mistake and they paid for it. I can probably name quite a few accidents over the years that have been caused by pilots screwing up bad. The worst one in history (Tenerife) was one example. How many hours do you think those guys had? Quite a few I'd guess. Planes crash because people make mistakes.
Just end the Colgan bashing. I have been there a few years and have never been uncomfrotable with any captain I have flown with. I.m not saying that the incidents described on Frontline last night never happened. But when did they happen? There is definately Old Colgan and New Colgan. If you are on the outside looking in then you cant see the positive changes that have happened over the last two years. We see it and there is no one here that will deny that things are changing for the better and ALL the negative things (pay included) ARE and WILL be dealt with. So either recocnize and support what is going on here or just keep bashing it and become part of the problem. This Cohen guy needs to be dealt with together by all the regional airline pilots he supposedly represents.
Just end the Colgan bashing. I have been there a few years and have never been uncomfrotable with any captain I have flown with. I.m not saying that the incidents described on Frontline last night never happened. But when did they happen? There is definately Old Colgan and New Colgan. If you are on the outside looking in then you cant see the positive changes that have happened over the last two years. We see it and there is no one here that will deny that things are changing for the better and ALL the negative things (pay included) ARE and WILL be dealt with. So either recocnize and support what is going on here or just keep bashing it and become part of the problem. This Cohen guy needs to be dealt with together by all the regional airline pilots he supposedly represents.
02-10-2010, 02:13 PM
#58
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the pilots qol, pay, and time off at colgan arent even on the same page as other regionals. Are you a professional? then why dont you value yourself enough to demand to get treated like it. XJT having more departure then CAL is an entirely different discussion. This discussion is about pilots and pilot applicants rolling over and accepting a completely unacceptable deal in order to????
does anyone actually blame ALPA? i remember when mesa signed that new TA and in that trash can liner magazine they send me every month that criminal Prater referred to it as "industry leading". we're all playing chess, we've all got our game plan, some involve getting beat down for a quick upgrade, others involve 8 year sits in the right seat at a more respectable regional. instead of blaming joe fo on the bottom of the seniority list why don't you ask what your union is doing for you besides spending your dues on steaks, port, and cigars? its just classic that since you make four dollars more an hour and get 2-3 extra days off a month all the sudden someone else at a so called “bottom feeder” is tarnishing your industry.
02-10-2010, 02:17 PM
#59
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this is classic dude...
does anyone actually blame ALPA? i remember when mesa signed that new TA and in that trash can liner magazine they send me every month that criminal Prater referred to it as "industry leading". we're all playing chess, we've all got our game plan, some involve getting beat down for a quick upgrade, others involve 8 year sits in the right seat at a more respectable regional. instead of blaming joe fo on the bottom of the seniority list why don't you ask what your union is doing for you besides spending your dues on steaks, port, and cigars? its just classic that since you make four dollars more an hour and get 2-3 extra days off a month all the sudden someone else at a so called “bottom feeder” is tarnishing your industry.
does anyone actually blame ALPA? i remember when mesa signed that new TA and in that trash can liner magazine they send me every month that criminal Prater referred to it as "industry leading". we're all playing chess, we've all got our game plan, some involve getting beat down for a quick upgrade, others involve 8 year sits in the right seat at a more respectable regional. instead of blaming joe fo on the bottom of the seniority list why don't you ask what your union is doing for you besides spending your dues on steaks, port, and cigars? its just classic that since you make four dollars more an hour and get 2-3 extra days off a month all the sudden someone else at a so called “bottom feeder” is tarnishing your industry.
02-10-2010, 02:18 PM
#60
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Yep... Point blank! And I'm sure he was at Colgan a few years ago. Left and went to Express Jet. But I'm sure if there was no other airline hiring like right now he would be sitting his pretty little but at Colgan still. True statment. LOL!
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