Frontline Report on Colgan 3407, PBS
02-10-2010, 08:09 AM
#61
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Apparently it wasn't enough that the capt will never be able to work as a pilot ever again, his name is revealed on public TV as a dangerous rule breaker.
Falsification of a load manifest is illegal and unsafe, plain and simple. Please elaborate as to there being "more to the story than what he said". I'm not being argumentative. I'm just curious as to how that is considered a non-fireable offense? Isn't that considered a willful violation of the FAR's?
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02-10-2010, 08:40 AM
#62
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"Yes, what the captain did was illegal - but it was hardly dangerous."
Yep, You said it, End of Story. This guy didn't mistakenly bust an altitude, turn left rather than right, or even fail to correctly recover from a stall. He intentionally violated regs, exceeded limitations, and became a test pilot with pax on board.
My only complaint is that the whistleblowing FO did not flat out refuse to fly.
And regarding accommodating jumpseaters.... I would never ask nor expect a crew to fudge the numbers, risk their tickets, or the passengers to get me on. I want to get where I am going, but idea of a V1 cut on a high, hot day and just a few pounds over gross isn't worth it.
Yep, You said it, End of Story. This guy didn't mistakenly bust an altitude, turn left rather than right, or even fail to correctly recover from a stall. He intentionally violated regs, exceeded limitations, and became a test pilot with pax on board.
My only complaint is that the whistleblowing FO did not flat out refuse to fly.
And regarding accommodating jumpseaters.... I would never ask nor expect a crew to fudge the numbers, risk their tickets, or the passengers to get me on. I want to get where I am going, but idea of a V1 cut on a high, hot day and just a few pounds over gross isn't worth it.
02-10-2010, 08:48 AM
#63
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"Yes, what the captain did was illegal - but it was hardly dangerous."
Yep, You said it, End of Story. This guy didn't mistakenly bust an altitude, turn left rather than right, or even fail to correctly recover from a stall. He intentionally violated regs, exceeded limitations, and became a test pilot with pax on board.
My only complaint is that the whistleblowing FO did not flat out refuse to fly.
And regarding accommodating jumpseaters.... I would never ask nor expect a crew to fudge the numbers, risk their tickets, or the passengers to get me on. I want to get where I am going, but idea of a V1 cut on a high, hot day and just a few pounds over gross isn't worth it.
Yep, You said it, End of Story. This guy didn't mistakenly bust an altitude, turn left rather than right, or even fail to correctly recover from a stall. He intentionally violated regs, exceeded limitations, and became a test pilot with pax on board.
My only complaint is that the whistleblowing FO did not flat out refuse to fly.
And regarding accommodating jumpseaters.... I would never ask nor expect a crew to fudge the numbers, risk their tickets, or the passengers to get me on. I want to get where I am going, but idea of a V1 cut on a high, hot day and just a few pounds over gross isn't worth it.
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02-10-2010, 09:21 AM
#65
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Whats being left out of discussion is that the FO Coats was fully aware of the situation(PRIOR to the flight), and didn't have a problem with it! - Until he had something to gain from it.
He was in the middle of being looked at for termination for a laundry list of concerns, including his overall safety as a pilot!
No crew members wanted to fly with Coats, and he was hell bent on taking down the captain, since he himself was being punished.
This is a case of personal vendetta that has no place receiving air time slandering a pilot who has already lost his career.
He was in the middle of being looked at for termination for a laundry list of concerns, including his overall safety as a pilot!
No crew members wanted to fly with Coats, and he was hell bent on taking down the captain, since he himself was being punished.
This is a case of personal vendetta that has no place receiving air time slandering a pilot who has already lost his career.
02-10-2010, 09:30 AM
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I guess I do not understand this talk of professionalism. What kind of things do you see that are not professional in the cockpit? I cannot recall any events in a cockpit that stick out as not being professional. Blaming the Colgan crash on a lack professionalism is in my opinion doing a disservice at getting to the real cause of the accident.
02-10-2010, 09:37 AM
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02-10-2010, 09:57 AM
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Primarily the pilots are to blame. No argueing this issue.
Secondarily. The airline management is to blame when they create mounting pressure to fly when your sick, don't pay enough to afford a crash pad to get sufficient rest prior to duty.
Secondarily. The airline management is to blame when they create mounting pressure to fly when your sick, don't pay enough to afford a crash pad to get sufficient rest prior to duty.
02-10-2010, 10:14 AM
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Great Documentary. I hate and I mean hate that Cohen guy. We need to get him out!!!! Who does he even work for!!! What a horrible person that does not understand our industry at all. Props to the former Colgan guys for shining a light on what it's like.
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