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02-06-2010, 09:11 AM
#21
What's A Weekend?
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: Big...So Big
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Get real, my regional has had guys on furlough for 1.5+ years, and if nobody picks a trip up they junior man someone. I picked up 70 hours in 2009 (at time and a half thats $4,250!). And guess what, they just recalled the last of the furloughs! Who would have thought? Picking up open time has ZERO impact on furloughs. Nobody picks it up=Jr. Man. Someone picks it up=someone doesn't get Jr Manned and can go home and be with their family on their day off. When we got the flying back and attrition caught up, then we hire guys. Which believe it or not is happening now.
Here is how it works at my airline:
Airline gets a schedule 3 months out, looks at staffing levels, puts the block hours in a computer, and it tells them how many pilots they need/hor many lines it will generate. If it is 400, and we have 380 then they run the airline thin. If it is 400 and we have 320, then we hire. If it is 400 and we have 460==>FURLOUGH!
Obviously month by month they obviously do not hire/furlough. So they look at the forecast for months to come and come paired with historical data and come up with a number. And if I pick up a turn and make 6 extra hours of pay, that has ZERO impact on them bringing a furlough back.
As Blueskies said, most airlines have a limit to how much they can JM you, and I'm sure some pilots would just call fatigued if they did JM them. They (at most airlines) still owe that day off, if they JM you. The whole point of not picking up time is that the company wants to save money at the expense of it's crews, by running thin, JM'ing, operating crews to the max every day, and furloughing pilots. Why would you want to help them do that? I know that at OH they use up all the reserves on a daily basis, just to operate a normal schedule. When weather and other things happen, they don't have enough crews for the next few days because everyone starts timing out and there are no reserves to cover. Over 300 pilots on furlough, and still they act like nothing is wrong with the way they are operating.
02-07-2010, 03:30 PM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 199
Well, welcome to reality. Pilots in general are selfish and self-centered. Sorry, but it's the truth. You will always have pilots that look at it that way. Hey!!! 70 Hours at time and a half! Whooaa! Pathetic if you ask me. My airline has 350 furloughs and some pilots are flying about 95 hours a month! But, guess what, In unity right?
But at the same time I can't blame the guy. You have to lookout for yourself right? And that's the reason why this profession is so screwd. We are the ones to blame. Yes, us the pilots.
But at the same time I can't blame the guy. You have to lookout for yourself right? And that's the reason why this profession is so screwd. We are the ones to blame. Yes, us the pilots.
02-07-2010, 03:41 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 110
Picking up a trip has no impact on furloughs here. Take my word or leave it. Staffing levels at my airline are determined by the block hours we have per month/per 90 days. Not whether someone gets a day off for ALPA and their two day trip goes into open time. You need a reality check. We have 0 pilots on furlough. Why? Because we have an increaase in flying coming up and a little bit of attrition. Now go away superdork.
02-07-2010, 03:44 PM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 110
Well, welcome to reality. Pilots in general are selfish and self-centered. Sorry, but it's the truth. You will always have pilots that look at it that way. Hey!!! 70 Hours at time and a half! Whooaa! Pathetic if you ask me. My airline has 350 furloughs and some pilots are flying about 95 hours a month! But, guess what, In unity right?
But at the same time I can't blame the guy. You have to lookout for yourself right? And that's the reason why this profession is so screwd. We are the ones to blame. Yes, us the pilots.
But at the same time I can't blame the guy. You have to lookout for yourself right? And that's the reason why this profession is so screwd. We are the ones to blame. Yes, us the pilots.
02-07-2010, 05:22 PM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 160
Unfortunately I know 2 different people that asked for permission from ASA and were denied. However, what they don't know, doesn't hurt them. Just be careful and don't break any of the flight time FAR's. I should add that I know a few people that do some part time corporate stuff.
02-07-2010, 06:07 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 168
Unfortunately I know 2 different people that asked for permission from ASA and were denied. However, what they don't know, doesn't hurt them. Just be careful and don't break any of the flight time FAR's. I should add that I know a few people that do some part time corporate stuff.
02-07-2010, 08:23 PM
#29
What's A Weekend?
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: Big...So Big
Posts: 803
I'm just saying that if ALL active pilots at an airline, that has furloughed pilots (and/or downgraded captains), refused to pick up open time, I'm sure that the company would be coming up short on pilots...and just maybe realize that they should recall. The only thing management sees is money, and money is dependent on completed flights. If they can't crew the aircraft, they can't complete the flight, if they can't complete the flight, they can't make money.
We can't strike, but we can refuse to pick up time or refuse to fly if we are fatigued. It's the only way to make them notice and change their thinking (management).
I'm happy that all of your pilots were recalled, but that is just a dent in the number of pilots on the street. Some airlines have hundreds of furloughed pilots and hundreds of downgraded captains. Until all the pilots of an airline are back, and in their original seat, I just believe it is wrong to do anything above and beyond, to help the company.
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