Rnav

This is a serious response. Vietnam is still a communist country(Although this could apply to any Asian country with a monarchy/dictatorship/less than democratic system). Doesn't matter if they enjoy the green dollar now. If anyone stays current on human rights take a look at Vietnam's abuses. Although they are more open now than before, allowing foreign influence is limited/non-existent. The government remains in control. Simple answer regardless whatever ALPA or anyone negotiates they can take it away if they want to bad enough.

I am surprised no one has asked about the local management, which in my opinion is the real people running the show and not the minority partner...

makersmarc

So, what is our course of action to remedy the situation? What is ALPA's position on all of this?

There has to be something to be done besides complaining.

Rnav

Uh nothing is going to happen. As bad as that sounds. ALPA will have no say what happens over there. I wish they did, but people are forgetting your working in another country under their rules.

AirWillie

You guys are forgetting one important thing. I don't think anybody cares what happens outside the U.S. Especially in Vietnam or wherever these shady CRJ ops may be. Good luck to you Waterski...

makersmarc

I was thinking along the lines of new contract language that would prohibit seniority list pilots from doing work apart from the carrier. Kinda like the opposite of scope.

TonyWilliams

Dude, I'm hurting from laughing. "They're tekin' rrr jobbbss!"

Man-o-live, I can sure tell who's walked the walk!

I went to the US Embassy here in (does it matter where?) to register as a Us citizen working in Dirdirkastan. They said I had to do it online. I said that I didn't have Internet access. They couldn't help me. Never made it past the "local" guards (never made it to a US Marine). Never did get registered. Not sure it even matters.

exwaterski

That's exactly right Tony. You can really tell the difference between posters who have been there and done it and those who haven't. You might as well be trying to explain a typical day on the moon cause they just don't understand. Okay I'll study some charts.. ALPA will have our back.. everything will be fine. You just can't argue with that kind of ignorance. Maybe my post was over the top, I was still a little cranky from jet lag when I wrote that. Or maybe it was the $3,500 that was missing from my paycheck this morning. No problem I'll just call my union rep and file a complaint.. oh yeah unions are against the law in this country.

There's nothing I can write here to convince people who think they know better, there will always be those who won't wise up until they get b!tch slapped by reality. An ALPA negotiated contract isn't going to protect you when you're far away from home in a foreign land on the other side of the world. To even suggest such a thing implies extreme ignorance. I'll leave it at that.

exwaterski

P.S. I know what some of these guys are thinking. "If these expats are this upset we must have stumbled on to something really good!" HA! Sure there could be some long term effects but the only ones who stand to get hurt in this deal is YOU. If you want to go overseas do it the right way, take a leave of absence or better yet stop clinging to that precious regional seniority number that keeps you enslaved and grow a pair and start typing up your resignation letter. That's what seperates the men from the boys and those who are serious about working overseas. Get in touch with one of the many reputable contract agencies recruiting CRJ pilots. I can urge you to take the moral high ground and not ruin it for other contract pilots but that is probably a waste of time. If you want to be a selfish pr!ck and go overseas for cheap go right ahead, but believe me when I say the only throat you will be cutting is your own.

atpcliff

Hi!

What will happen now that ALL the ASA guys have been recalled. Where will the pilots come from? Sounds sort of like Compass for NWA. By the time they got it up and running, there were no furloughed guys from NWA available to man the airline.

cliff
LFW

hotelmode

Those must have been tough times for you.

Also, you guys mean to tell me that ALPA, the largest pilot union in the US, isn't present in Vietnam? I don't believe it!

Atpcliff, I think there was one person selected who was on furlough. The rest are active pilots. Part of the reason people got recalled is because of the pilots headed to Vietnam. Worst case scenario is that ASA will have to hire, which we all know is bad for everybody!