jayray2

I like the harsh words you had for me before the rates were announced, now would you like to retract this statement? The rates ended up 1,000 less per month than I suggested as a MINIMUM to CONSIDER and the travel allowance about $6,000 less than I suggested. Maybe I should of helped with the negotiating.

TonyWilliams

The pay rates offered by SkW / ASA / Mekong / Jerry, Inc for flying an expat pilot job are pathetic.

I'm not sure what statement you'd like me to retract. One that I did retract was that the Mekong CRJ contract was the lowest ever written. I WAS WRONG. You guys were beat out for the title by a fourth world airline in Africa.

Congratulations.

TonyWilliams

It was already a tough worldwide market for CRJ pilot jobs, just based on how few airframes are out there beyond USA/Canada and Germany. I must get out of the CRJ at almost any cost, because the flood gates have opened; I'm just waiting for the water to hit.

But, if Jerry, Inc pulls this off, why not use the same model for every airframe worldwide? It would be easy to flood the entire WORLD pilot market with regional pilots (just get 'em a type in any plane... they'd fly an A380 for regional pay plus some insulting perk above that.... the halls would be lined up with applicants).

Backfill ASA with some fresh, off the street, 250 hour eager beavers at $23/hr. It's a win / win for Jerry.

atpcliff

Hi!

So, what happens now, with ALL ASA guys recalled?????????????

cliff
LFW

jayray2

I was suggesting a package on the bottom side that was worth somewhere around $18,000 more than it turned out to be. You told me to stay out of the negotiations. I did, look how it turned out. No need to congratulate me, I am just watching on the sidelines and would never consider this offer if I hypothetically could.

Rnav

The locals are smart in this any case they can get cheap/trained labor. Pay cheap foreign experienced pilots to get the startup going. Once the pipeline of local trained pilots begin finishing up their training in a +year or two guess who comes in and replaces the non-renewed contract guy? All this talk about larger equipment is just a dangling of a carrot. Ain't going to happen.

As some of the experience guys have said your working in countries(or in ASA's case a still communist country) where your freedoms and rights are not as guaranteed let alone your paycheck. If you plan on going to a foreign country to be the king of the world and not work hard or to your max good luck with that one.

TonyWilliams

My airline uses the dangling carrot of bigger airframes... and they do arrive... to be flown by new contract pilots typed in that plane.

They even went as far as sending a handful of guys to Airbus training in France, only to send them home 8 days later as "not quite good enough" for the A330, and SENT THEM HOME. Then, the company went out on the street and found new contract guys already typed.

Upgrades and/or transitions to larger airframes are almost non-existent in the contract pilot world. But, they will tell you what they know you want to hear.

Ad Lib

Waterski,

That post was really over the top. No one is on strike and this is far from a GoJets type operation.

It is certainly an interesting development that I'd be very cautious about if I was a ASA/SkyWest pilot. Principally, they will not have ALPA protection and stepping on your goober in a foreign nation can be an absolute nightmare and sometimes it has nothing to do with an act, or omission, by a flight crew.

There is a lot to learn about different weather patterns and operations, but there is nothing on the learning curve that is insurmountable. As others have mentioned, a pilot needs to know how to fly and read the weather in this part of the World. It would be best with ASA's high time, senior guys, but of course those are the pilots who will not want to go.

Anyone know why ALPA is not involved in the negotiations to develop a working agreement that covers this Asia flying? Wont taking union members and re-assigning them outside of ALPA result in a weakened union?

Jerry Atkin hates unions. If I were running the ASA MEC, I would be very wary of something that effectively removed members from representation.

AFOX1BRAVO

XO jet is doing it with Citations in the Emirates and ASA is doing it Vietnam. Like Tony said the flood gates are open.

BobSakamano

Everything Ex-Waterski said is 100% accurate. I can't wait for the first person to return from Air MEMEME Kong after being summarily dismissed for no reason. The whining, the complaining, the unjustness of it all.

• Where was ALPA? Where was the FAA?

• Why didn't anyone enforce time and duty limits?

• Why did they insist on saying ops check good?

• CAVOK? How does dispatch know it's CAVOK? I'M HERE - THEY'RE NOT!

• Isn't go/no go the PIC's decision?

• Gee, that's a lovely AK-47 you have there. It makes you look very powerful.

• What do you mean you want me to fly for the 9th straight day?

• Fly tomorrow? I'm supposed to go on rotation tomorrow!

• "Thank you for calling the US Embassy in Dirkadirkastan. Due to recent security threats, all non-essential personell have been evacuated. If you are an American Citizen, we strongly encourage you to seek refuge outside of Dirkadirkastan. If you are unable to evacuate due to circumstances, be very vigilant of anti-American activities. Do not travel in a predictive manner. Do not use local transportation. Stay indoors at all times."

• My pay was due on the 5th, it is now the 15th. I'm going to complaine to ... oh yeah, there is nobody to complain to. Oh yeah, I'll stop working. Nevermind. They'll just fire me and replace me we another eager beaver douchebag will come do it for less.

• I need permission from my employer to get an exit visa from Dirkadirkastan? But I'm an American! Don't you understand that? I have rights!

I could go on, but why bother? They already know everything.