ASA/Vietnam/Mekong combined thread
04-28-2010, 07:44 PM
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Last operational start date I have heard is October 31, 2010. I imagine it will be delayed until November.
With those dates in mind, a 13 month contract would allow 330 days outside of the USA for 2011. 365 days per year plus an additional 30 days for the thirteenth month = 395 days, subtract 61 days for November and December of 2010 = 334 days outside of the USA for 2011. The start date is still speculative, but the dates should allow adequate time to qualify for US federal tax relief.
With those dates in mind, a 13 month contract would allow 330 days outside of the USA for 2011. 365 days per year plus an additional 30 days for the thirteenth month = 395 days, subtract 61 days for November and December of 2010 = 334 days outside of the USA for 2011. The start date is still speculative, but the dates should allow adequate time to qualify for US federal tax relief.
The rule is really designed for guys working overseas who live there, but don't yet have their foreign residency.
What is the contracted time at home and at what interval? Are you paid for that time at home?
04-28-2010, 07:50 PM
#132
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Ok suppose I have a stamp entering vietnam nov. 10 and no US entry until 12?
I ask because US customs usually doesn't stamp my passport.
You are correct I have never been paid while working in a foreign country. But I have more experience with the IRS that you might guess.
I ask because US customs usually doesn't stamp my passport.
You are correct I have never been paid while working in a foreign country. But I have more experience with the IRS that you might guess.
04-28-2010, 07:57 PM
#133
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Tony, these questions you ask are excellent. The majority, if not all, ASA pilots who are considering this "offer," are doing so blindly. Its good to have questions asked by someone who has experience with flying outside of the USA. I'm glad to have your information handy so I can pass it along to those considering the contract.
04-28-2010, 08:02 PM
#134
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That doesn't change the fact its complete and total CRAP for expat flying compensation.
Airline pilots on these boards constantly complain about those willing to work for peanuts, and how supply of pilots needs to be artificially tightened (via increased 121 minimums) in order to raise pay. There is a *massive* lack of qualified pilots in places like Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. As such, it should be utopia for those on APC - get paid "what the market will bear" for your services, and since they have to import their pilot talent from the US, that price should be pretty high, right?
Nope...not if people accept those wages to fly a CRJ-900 when I can make that much or more flying a CJ2/CJ3.
"Any port in a storm", and if somebody wants an adventure then have at it...but those wages are horrible - and that's not just internet conjecture.
Airline pilots on these boards constantly complain about those willing to work for peanuts, and how supply of pilots needs to be artificially tightened (via increased 121 minimums) in order to raise pay. There is a *massive* lack of qualified pilots in places like Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. As such, it should be utopia for those on APC - get paid "what the market will bear" for your services, and since they have to import their pilot talent from the US, that price should be pretty high, right?
Nope...not if people accept those wages to fly a CRJ-900 when I can make that much or more flying a CJ2/CJ3.
"Any port in a storm", and if somebody wants an adventure then have at it...but those wages are horrible - and that's not just internet conjecture.
04-28-2010, 08:05 PM
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First, for the record you owe Tony an apology since in fact it was YOU who couldn't do math. but you felt like being a jerk about it..... and he had to explain it to you.
Second, someone else said you wouldn't be able to nonrev within vietnam or jumpseat. And since you were on LOA you wouldn't be able to in the USA either. No idea what a ticket would cost.
Finally, if you're an OH furlough then it doesn't really effect you anyway but there may be ASA furloughs that could use the same zero x 2 logic. Who knows, we'll see.
Second, someone else said you wouldn't be able to nonrev within vietnam or jumpseat. And since you were on LOA you wouldn't be able to in the USA either. No idea what a ticket would cost.
Finally, if you're an OH furlough then it doesn't really effect you anyway but there may be ASA furloughs that could use the same zero x 2 logic. Who knows, we'll see.
04-28-2010, 08:10 PM
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Wishful thinking, but maybe there is a chance of renegotiating the salary if they can't recruit enough takers.
It was mentioned in my recurrent class in January that the contract would be offered to SkyWest pilots if there were not enough applicants from the ASA list. That was 4 months ago when the deal was still in early form. Could have changed by now.
04-28-2010, 08:48 PM
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The truly sad part is that they're only hiring "local" Flight Attendants. They'll say that it will be due to language reasons, and that will be partially correct. The real reason will be to aviod having any semblence of acceptable work rules. Many of these young ladies will come from abject poverty and be forced to work scheduals that would make even US regionals shutter. Sad and preditory.
They won't be hiring local FA's as opposed to american FA's simply to exploit them.
Why would this company come to SkyWest, Inc for this work when there are plenty of contract pilot firms in the world to provide this labor?
Answer; 'cuz US regional pilots will work long hours for dirt cheap.
Answer; 'cuz US regional pilots will work long hours for dirt cheap.
04-28-2010, 09:56 PM
#139
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First, for the record you owe Tony an apology since in fact it was YOU who couldn't do math. but you felt like being a jerk about it..... and he had to explain it to you.
Second, someone else said you wouldn't be able to nonrev within vietnam or jumpseat. And since you were on LOA you wouldn't be able to in the USA either. No idea what a ticket would cost.
Finally, if you're an OH furlough then it doesn't really effect you anyway but there may be ASA furloughs that could use the same zero x 2 logic. Who knows, we'll see.
Second, someone else said you wouldn't be able to nonrev within vietnam or jumpseat. And since you were on LOA you wouldn't be able to in the USA either. No idea what a ticket would cost.
Finally, if you're an OH furlough then it doesn't really effect you anyway but there may be ASA furloughs that could use the same zero x 2 logic. Who knows, we'll see.
However, my math was technically sound. It was my reading comprehensive that slipped.
04-29-2010, 12:08 AM
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