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Old 01-28-2010, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kalyx522
OK you are obviously under a misconception. Colgan IS hiring for the Q.

Also, I don't know what you are talking about more Saabs for United. I have heard this rumor but I believe this rumor has been around for at least a year and half that I can remember. (When Buddy talked about new United flying in one of those newsletters, and then the new flying never materialized.) Maybe they are telling interviewees official news that they are not bothering to tell their own employees. I don't believe anything until I see it. In any case, I don't know how we can be picking up any more Saabs - don't we have 3-4 leftover Saabs from closing several US Airways flying last year?
That was exactly what I thought before I got to the interview last weekend, but what they told us (and anything can happen) is that united had called 8 days before our interview and said they wanted 4 new saabs out of dulles, but that's just what they told us. I'm not sure if they have a contract yet.

I believe that once they get the 2 or 3 classes for the saab out of the way, the hiring for the Q will start.

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Old 01-28-2010, 08:52 AM
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OK you are obviously under a misconception. Colgan IS hiring for the Q. Q growth is the root reason for the hiring. They are not hiring "due to current pilots being upgraded" - pilots don't upgrade for no reason. There are only 2 ways an FO can upgrade to CA - attrition or growth. There is no attrition at Colgan (or anywhere else) but there is growth (more Qs). Current Saab CAs able to move into the Q because of the new planes coming, and the Saab FOs are able to upgrade because of the spots left open by the transitions CAs.

Also, I don't know what you are talking about more Saabs for United. I have heard this rumor but I believe this rumor has been around for at least a year and half that I can remember. Maybe they are telling interviewees official news that they are not bothering to tell their own employees. I don't believe anything until I see it. In any case, I don't know how we can be picking up any more Saabs - don't we have 3-4 leftover Saabs from closing several US Airways flying last year?
Obviously you didn't read my post closely... I Said SAAB FO's are moving up to Saab Captains and Saab Captains are moving to the Q but COlgan is hiring INITIALLY to replace the SAAB Fo's. what did I say wrong? Like mentioned in my original post COLGAN is NOT HIRING INTO THE Q

Definition of Hiring into: Meaning Hiring Specifically for said equipment

Example: Jane Doe goes to interview last Saturday with EWR cheif pilot CJC Director of Training and Chuck COlgan and is told that the reason Colgan is hiring is to replace Q Fo's moving to captain.

Unfortunately or Fortunately this is not the case, there are many that have posted above who were at the interview who agreed with me that the "powers to be" said that hiring is for the SAAB. They also agreed that Chuck told them that United asked them to fly 6 more saabs under their flag. Lastly they also agreed that Chuck told everyone that US Airways has been shrinking.

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Originally Posted by bradeku1008
Chuck was saying that we are all going to be a Sabb class in February. Unless something has changed and a lot of people didn't want to upgrade to the Q400. Hopefully we will be able to pick our own base if in the first class, but it looks like they need pilots out of IAD.
Very few Saab FOs want to "upgrade" (really this would be a transition) to the Q unless it means also upgrading to captain, as the FO pay is the same in either aircraft. I'm not sure why anyone would put themselves through training just to come out the other side making the same amount of money, and now possibly seat-locked, although I suppose if you lived in NY area, you may want the EWR base. Some also just want to mix it up a bit and do something different. Otherwise, for me, when given the choice of remaining an IAH based Saab FO or a IAH based DH4 FO, I'm staying put. But that's just me, and most everyone I know.

As for the "new" Saab flying out of IAD for United, those are just the airplanes we already have on hand that are no longer doing US Airways flying out of LGA. We didn't get any more Saabs that I'm aware of.
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Originally Posted by FL450
Obviously you didn't read my post closely... I Said SAAB FO's are moving up to Saab Captains and Saab Captains are moving to the Q but COlgan is hiring INITIALLY to replace the SAAB Fo's. what did I say wrong? Like mentioned in my original post COLGAN is NOT HIRING INTO THE Q

Definition of Hiring into: Meaning Hiring Specifically for said equipment

Example: Jane Doe goes to interview last Saturday with EWR cheif pilot CJC Director of Training and Chuck COlgan and is told that the reason Colgan is hiring is to replace Q Fo's moving to captain.

Unfortunately or Fortunately this is not the case, there are many that have posted above who were at the interview who agreed with me that the "powers to be" said that hiring is for the SAAB. They also agreed that Chuck told them that United asked them to fly 6 more saabs under their flag. Lastly they also agreed that Chuck told everyone that US Airways has been shrinking.

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I am sure you are correct, but I will bet you anything that it's just this first class, and maybe the next couple that will only be Saab classes. There will NOT be enough Saab FOs willing to transition to the Q for the same pay, and they'll have to hire into the Q once we are a bit closer to having them here. But right now, yes, there's no point hiring Q FOs for aircraft we don't have yet.
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Originally Posted by FL450
Obviously you didn't read my post closely... I Said SAAB FO's are moving up to Saab Captains and Saab Captains are moving to the Q but COlgan is hiring INITIALLY to replace the SAAB Fo's. what did I say wrong? Like mentioned in my original post COLGAN is NOT HIRING INTO THE Q

Definition of Hiring into: Meaning Hiring Specifically for said equipment

Example: Jane Doe goes to interview last Saturday with EWR cheif pilot CJC Director of Training and Chuck COlgan and is told that the reason Colgan is hiring is to replace Q Fo's moving to captain.

Unfortunately or Fortunately this is not the case, there are many that have posted above who were at the interview who agreed with me that the "powers to be" said that hiring is for the SAAB. They also agreed that Chuck told them that United asked them to fly 6 more saabs under their flag. Lastly they also agreed that Chuck told everyone that US Airways has been shrinking.

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you said (in response to riddler saying colgan sucks because 70 seater crap pay whatever) "colgan is hiring due to upgrades", I said no they are hiring for the Q. as for hiring INTO the Q, may or may not for the first class or two but it will be into the Q because there arent going to be enough transitioning FOs. so yes, they are hiring for the Q and into the Q.
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Originally Posted by kalyx522
you said (in response to riddler saying colgan sucks because 70 seater crap pay whatever) "colgan is hiring due to upgrades", I said no they are hiring for the Q. as for hiring INTO the Q, may or may not for the first class or two but it will be into the Q because there arent going to be enough transitioning FOs. so yes, they are hiring for the Q and into the Q.

All correct. First few classes will almost definitely be for the Saab. After that, probably a mix w/ most going to the Q.

As for the earlier question regarding street captains.....not happening. Plenty of FO's w/ the time to make the move over to the left seat.
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Originally Posted by kalyx522
you said (in response to riddler saying colgan sucks because 70 seater crap pay whatever) "colgan is hiring due to upgrades", I said no they are hiring for the Q. as for hiring INTO the Q, may or may not for the first class or two but it will be into the Q because there arent going to be enough transitioning FOs. so yes, they are hiring for the Q and into the Q.
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Colgan ( you can ask USMC or I can give you friends numbers who work for Colgan) is NOT hiring into the Q they are hiring due to current pilots being upgraded. Some current Colgan Saab Captains are moving into the Q as Captains, Some FO's are moving to Q FO's Some Saab FO's are moving to SAAB captains. The "NEW HIRES" as of right now are going to the Saab FO spots.

Colgan picked up a few more Saabs for United in addition to the 15 Q;'s comming in the Fall.
I'm not going to go tit for tat about this issue as its not that important to me this thread is for imformation not who's right and who's wrong!

Colgan is hiring and if there is anything information that might be productive to a perspective applicant I will post otherwise lets drop the issue
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anyone know how many saabs are going to be used for the united flying out of IAD? I heard 4, but someone else on here said 5 or 6. Also, about 5 crews per airplane, does that sound right?

Just trying to get an idea of how many they'll be putting in the saabs. 25-30?
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:20 PM
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Kaylx...yes they are hiring for both SAAB and Q however, the first couple or three classes starting Feb. are all SAAB. The additional flying out of Dulles will be handled with the LGA and MHT SAABS. 4 Airframes I believe.
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Also, about 5 crews per airplane, does that sound right?

Just trying to get an idea of how many they'll be putting in the saabs. 25-30?
Currently, Qs are 5 crews per airframe. Saabs are just over 4 crews per airframe.
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