Attention Sky West Poolies..............
01-22-2010, 07:49 AM
#71
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"To the original poster of this thread: I am sorry that you have been in limbo. Although not as long as you, I also had to wait longer than I wanted or anticipated to have the opportunity. It caused my family great financial hardship but the sacrifice and wait was worth it. I can understand the frustration and anxiety you must have been through, especially over the last few weeks, however your comments are concerning at the bottom of your original post.
"Hate to say it, but this is the best thing they could do? The sign of great management. Times are tough. Hang in there folks."
You sound entitled and it doesn't come across well."
Trebor,
A VERY well written and articulated comment, but you HAVE taken my comments out of context Sir/Maam. I genuinely feel that Sky West has done the best they can in this situation and Camielle, Lori, and Liz have been awesome throughout my entire experience with SkyWest. Please read my comments again. I don't feel entitled to anything in this world. I'm lucky and greatful to have what I have, to have served my country for 22 years thus far, and for the 11500 hours of flying experience the lord has graced my logbook with. I'm sure I don't have the level of experience you have, but hopefully there will be a day I can sit to the right of you and you can teach me. I am a willing and able student. If you truley are the mature individual you say you are, I believe you owe me an apology. BTW, please see every post I have ever made on this site and you will notice I do not belittle people, throw stones, or make them feel less of a person than myself. PS- I will wait however long it takes for SkyWest to call me back for a class. I have two jobs currently, both flying, and am patient. Good luck to all my fellow poolies. Sky West is worth waiting for.
"Hate to say it, but this is the best thing they could do? The sign of great management. Times are tough. Hang in there folks."
You sound entitled and it doesn't come across well."
Trebor,
A VERY well written and articulated comment, but you HAVE taken my comments out of context Sir/Maam. I genuinely feel that Sky West has done the best they can in this situation and Camielle, Lori, and Liz have been awesome throughout my entire experience with SkyWest. Please read my comments again. I don't feel entitled to anything in this world. I'm lucky and greatful to have what I have, to have served my country for 22 years thus far, and for the 11500 hours of flying experience the lord has graced my logbook with. I'm sure I don't have the level of experience you have, but hopefully there will be a day I can sit to the right of you and you can teach me. I am a willing and able student. If you truley are the mature individual you say you are, I believe you owe me an apology. BTW, please see every post I have ever made on this site and you will notice I do not belittle people, throw stones, or make them feel less of a person than myself. PS- I will wait however long it takes for SkyWest to call me back for a class. I have two jobs currently, both flying, and am patient. Good luck to all my fellow poolies. Sky West is worth waiting for.
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01-22-2010, 07:54 AM
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As a furloughed ASA pilot, winglets' line of reasoning doesn't seem that far off. I don't see him bashing anyone or posting anything that is not factual. Republic has multiple holding companies, but they are all Republic pilots (same for Mesa, however long that lasts).
I also agree that the whipsaw game is being played, although fairly mildly. During contract negotiations when SKW Inc bought ASA, Delta had originally designated -900s for ASA to fly. The ASA MEC at the time wanted certain provisions in the contract and JA threatened to transfer the -900s to SKW if the union didn't give in. The union called his 'bluff'.
More recently, PBS was pushed by management very hard last year. We were told over and over that we needed to agree to it and soon or there would be no growth. Very shortly after talks seemed to 'break down' this summer, the company furloughed.
I also agree that the whipsaw game is being played, although fairly mildly. During contract negotiations when SKW Inc bought ASA, Delta had originally designated -900s for ASA to fly. The ASA MEC at the time wanted certain provisions in the contract and JA threatened to transfer the -900s to SKW if the union didn't give in. The union called his 'bluff'.
More recently, PBS was pushed by management very hard last year. We were told over and over that we needed to agree to it and soon or there would be no growth. Very shortly after talks seemed to 'break down' this summer, the company furloughed.
You sound entitled and it doesn't come across well. Again, I understand your frustration but what more do you want from SkyWest? We are not hiring right now. You are in the pool. When the time comes you will get first crack before any other pilot on the street. (Except the two groups I mentioned before.) You will be given a shot before pilots who in all probability have thousands more hours than you. Good Luck!
01-22-2010, 08:44 AM
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Winglets, if you have such a hard-on for pointing out the whipsaw potential of a parent corporation owning two pilot groups, why aren't you all over Eagle (AMR), Horizon (Alaska), or Compass (DAL) etc?
Rather than hitching my star to a combined regional pilot list, I'd sure rather have a unified list with a mainline parent. Certainly MUCH more potential for loss of income if a mainline plane is replaced by an RJ.
There is a significantly larger threat to the industry as a whole if mainline is played off regional, dontcha think?
Rather than hitching my star to a combined regional pilot list, I'd sure rather have a unified list with a mainline parent. Certainly MUCH more potential for loss of income if a mainline plane is replaced by an RJ.
There is a significantly larger threat to the industry as a whole if mainline is played off regional, dontcha think?
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01-22-2010, 09:44 AM
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Well for now they ARE separate companies. How do you think combining would be better. We all get it now you think we should be one. We should all be Delta or whatever. But my question STILL is how? How do we all unite? How do we all help eachother? You are sitting back condemning us, but offer no path but DO IT! Again, do you have any actual ideas? It's easy to argue over nothing, but I've got better things to do than that. If you want a discussion on how to improve things, let's do it.
As a furloughed ASA pilot, winglets' line of reasoning doesn't seem that far off. I don't see him bashing anyone or posting anything that is not factual. Republic has multiple holding companies, but they are all Republic pilots (same for Mesa, however long that lasts).
I also agree that the whipsaw game is being played, although fairly mildly. During contract negotiations when SKW Inc bought ASA, Delta had originally designated -900s for ASA to fly. The ASA MEC at the time wanted certain provisions in the contract and JA threatened to transfer the -900s to SKW if the union didn't give in. The union called his 'bluff'.
More recently, PBS was pushed by management very hard last year. We were told over and over that we needed to agree to it and soon or there would be no growth. Very shortly after talks seemed to 'break down' this summer, the company furloughed.
I also agree that the whipsaw game is being played, although fairly mildly. During contract negotiations when SKW Inc bought ASA, Delta had originally designated -900s for ASA to fly. The ASA MEC at the time wanted certain provisions in the contract and JA threatened to transfer the -900s to SKW if the union didn't give in. The union called his 'bluff'.
More recently, PBS was pushed by management very hard last year. We were told over and over that we needed to agree to it and soon or there would be no growth. Very shortly after talks seemed to 'break down' this summer, the company furloughed.
01-22-2010, 10:35 AM
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Winglets, if you have such a hard-on for pointing out the whipsaw potential of a parent corporation owning two pilot groups, why aren't you all over Eagle (AMR), Horizon (Alaska), or Compass (DAL) etc?
Rather than hitching my star to a combined regional pilot list, I'd sure rather have a unified list with a mainline parent. Certainly MUCH more potential for loss of income if a mainline plane is replaced by an RJ.
There is a significantly larger threat to the industry as a whole if mainline is played off regional, dontcha think?
Rather than hitching my star to a combined regional pilot list, I'd sure rather have a unified list with a mainline parent. Certainly MUCH more potential for loss of income if a mainline plane is replaced by an RJ.
There is a significantly larger threat to the industry as a whole if mainline is played off regional, dontcha think?
Skywest pilots all fly the same size airplane. ASA and Skywest paint alike. That is the worst whipsaw, since management can easily transition the flying. Mainline can't replace a 767 market with a CRJ-200 as easily.
Don't try to hide behind the regional outsourcing problem to distract from the blatant problem at Skywest/ASA. It is no different than if NWA and Delta were to stay on separate lists. Take a page out of those two... merge the lists.
It's really sad its ignored too.
01-22-2010, 02:42 PM
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I would not be opposed to a "virtual list", which would allow transfers between lists. But it's not going to be a DOH list just in case you had any airways-esque misconceptions about that.
01-22-2010, 04:57 PM
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Honestly, if you don't expect to be jerked around by the industry you don't know what you're getting into. Wavering on a class date is certainly not in the realm of worst things that can and will happen in your career. If that's too much for you I would strongly advise you to reconsider your career choice.
Secondly I was just sympathizing with the people who were venting. If you have a problem with that I'd strongly advise you to reconsider your thread choice.
01-22-2010, 08:41 PM
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yes, nice try. i will not try to discredit you or anyone else. i would just be fascinated to find out who you work for. i certainly won't make a comment one way or the other. i won't even reply to your message if you told who you work for. personally, i'm proud to work for skywest airlines and skywest, inc. very proud. you apparently can't say the same about where you work, if it is in fact an airline, and you do in fact work as a pilot. maybe you do, maybe you don't. of course you could say "i work for XXXX" and i guess none of us would know if it's true or not, but it sure would be fascinating. again, i have no desire to discredit you. nothing i say will make you look better or worse to other people...the things you say make you look that way (good or bad) to other people, i don't have anything to do with it. it is pretty weird to not tell who you work for though, i must say. it's not like i know who you are. or care.
01-22-2010, 08:45 PM
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01-23-2010, 06:57 AM
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Oops. You look at facts much there chief? The Midwest pilots could not be merged until the F9 acquisition was complete. They could fare much better now that the F9 deal is done. Do some research before you post. The SLI will be complete in May between Lynx, Midwest, F9 and RAH.
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