Bus Driver

Ah, what was this thread about? Oh yeah, sorry folks. So......... have we heard from any other Sky West poolies?

winglets

If those Skywest pilots that fly ASA paint were hired before, then yes. Same company. Skywest pilots flying Skywest paint shouldn't receive special treatment.

dontsurf

so what winglets is saying is that the asa pilots should be on delta's seniority list and delta never should have sold them. i think i'm getting that right. because they were owned by one entity, and should therefore have been one pilot group. weird how business doesn't actually work that way.

nigelcobalt

So Winglets,

What you are saying is no different than a comair, mesaba, and compass pilot that is furloughed, should then be able to be recalled when any delta wholly owned starts recalling, correct? And why stop there? Shouldn't a comair 9 year fo be able to jump over to compass and be the most senior captain? Or even better, a 20 year mesaba guy can just bid over to the left seat 767 doing international delta stuff.

I chose SkyWest. I waited until I had the mins at the time (1000). I could have gone to asa a year earlier (much lower mins). Not from atl, so it was of no interest to me. Your option would screw over guys that did that.

Btw, I voted alpa. I still want alpa. I want one list, but integretion will be a little tricky, and there will have to be some give and take.

It is upon the backs of SkyWest pilots that the company prospered enough to be able to buy ASA outright. Now, even though we are separate lists, AND companies, we are working together to make Inc strong. Hopefully to our benefit.
A little something to think about.

rickair7777

I don't think you'd feel the same way if the tables were turned.

It would be nice if SKW and ASA could integrate lists, but that hasn't happened yet.

PSACFI

I haven't really seen a reason to yet. Yeah ASA furloughing and Skywest not sucks but on the positive side there hasn't been any TSA/GoJet or Freedom/Mesa (when they were separate) whipsaw action.....yet.

Things could be much, much worse.

Runky

Yes, that is exactly what should have happened. If the bro FO's were junior (by virture of DOH) then they should have been furloughed first, and the position offered to whomever the next most junior pilots were, regardless of who they were. Isn't that what DOH seniority requires?

Nevets

You said, "the fact that one group is union and the other isn't PREVENTS Skywest Inc. from merging them." That is not factually correct. NOTHING prevents Skywest management from merging companies and lists, NOTHING. Just because ASA pilots are ALPA does not put any physical, or legal obstacles in the ability for management to integrate seniority lists! This is not the fault of Skywest or ASA pilots. This is solely the fault of Skywest management because they can do it today if they were interested in one list. Its only an obstacle because management tells you it is.

This is the way it would have been done if the lists were integrated. And its also the most equitable way of treating pilots that all work for the same company and make profits for the same company and share rewards from the same company.

Yes, having pilots from mainline doing all flying done with their colors under one list is the best way to do it. What's wrong with that?

Yes, and ALPA is specifically working on this concept as we speak (of course there would have to be a vacancy before someone can bid over across corporate lines). Its being done by the Fee for Departure Task Force. This removes management's ability to whipsaw regional pilot groups by giving flying away to the lowest bidder.

And because of the very reason that pilots of Skywest and ASA work together to make Inc strong, is the same reason why their sacrifices should be shared equitably as well.

There doesn't have to be an alter ego or anything so obvious to say there isn't whipsawing happening.

winglets

Yes, they should have. Just as Eagle pilots should be on American's list and why Expressjet should have been on Continental's list before they were sold.

It's weird how NWA and Delta are on one list right now, yet Skywest pilots fly the same size airplanes and are on two different lists, ASA and Skywest.
weird...

At the very least Comair, Mesaba, and Compass should be on one list and on top of that, they should all be on Delta's list.

Last time I check they fly in Delta paint.

As for you longer wait to get on with Skywest over Skywest ASA, then yes, in integration you should get a 6-12 month shift in DOH over a Skywest ASA pilot. But this is the problem you will have until you get rid of the whipsaw.

Actually, the tables will turn for the SKW pilots, eventually. But what incentive will the Skywest ASA pilots have to help you guys then, because you did nothing to help them. Fair is Fair

You are being whipsawed right now. Skywest management is just smart enough not to take it to the extremes. Your pay would be much better right now if Skywest had one list for its pilots.

rickair7777

Total BS. What are we supposed to do? Offer to furlough our junior guys and give their jobs to ASA? We don't have the power to do that even if we wanted to. Even a union would not be legally able to do that.

No integration = no reciprocal seniority.


I would prefer an integrated list but that's impossible unless SKW gets a union or ASA gets rid of theirs.

Our pay would be better protected in the long run, but it wouldn't be significantly better...the regional industry as a whole would not allow that. SKW/ASA is constantly undercut by mesa, pinnacle, colgan, TSA, gojet, etc, etc