Attention Sky West Poolies..............
01-26-2010, 12:42 PM
#111
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1. Skywest has never furloughed, and will do anything in their power not to.
2. There is no eminent demise of UAL, BTW I think ASA has some soon to be pilots whose jobs are tied to future UAL flying?
3. There is no "one list", never been talked about, would not benefit Inc., Skywest pilots for the most part dont want anything to do with "one list"
4. Yes ASA is owned by the same corporation, but is and will remain a completely separate airline.
Why do some people think that because a company bought a airline that the seniority lists should be combined? That is what happens in a merger, this in no way what soever in anyway is a merger. ASA remains a separate company that can be sold or dismantled at anytime.
2. There is no eminent demise of UAL, BTW I think ASA has some soon to be pilots whose jobs are tied to future UAL flying?
3. There is no "one list", never been talked about, would not benefit Inc., Skywest pilots for the most part dont want anything to do with "one list"
4. Yes ASA is owned by the same corporation, but is and will remain a completely separate airline.
Why do some people think that because a company bought a airline that the seniority lists should be combined? That is what happens in a merger, this in no way what soever in anyway is a merger. ASA remains a separate company that can be sold or dismantled at anytime.
Also, one list has been talked about. It was talked about when SKW tried to buy XJT. One list was on the table for a combined SKW/ASA/XJT.
But just curious, why is it that it wont benefit Inc? Has it been detrimental to RAH? And why wouldn't SKW pilots want it? It can only help the profession.
Lastly, don't confuse one company buying or merging with another and seniority list integration. They are not mutually exclusive. Even with a combined seniority list, the corporation can still sell or dismantle its operating certificates, just as RAH can.
01-26-2010, 01:41 PM
#112
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Probably the two biggest reasons against combining are:
1) domiciles. If ASA pilots could bid into my domicile, my seniority would be less. Which brings me to the second point,
2) upgrade times. I think there are plenty of ASA fo's who are senior to me and would obviously take an upgrade before me, stretching out my decade long wait, to probably two.
1) domiciles. If ASA pilots could bid into my domicile, my seniority would be less. Which brings me to the second point,
2) upgrade times. I think there are plenty of ASA fo's who are senior to me and would obviously take an upgrade before me, stretching out my decade long wait, to probably two.
01-26-2010, 01:47 PM
#113
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Probably the two biggest reasons against combining are:
1) domiciles. If ASA pilots could bid into my domicile, my seniority would be less. Which brings me to the second point,
2) upgrade times. I think there are plenty of ASA fo's who are senior to me and would obviously take an upgrade before me, stretching out my decade long wait, to probably two.
1) domiciles. If ASA pilots could bid into my domicile, my seniority would be less. Which brings me to the second point,
2) upgrade times. I think there are plenty of ASA fo's who are senior to me and would obviously take an upgrade before me, stretching out my decade long wait, to probably two.
01-26-2010, 05:51 PM
#114
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SKW Inc is about dollars and cents, from what I've seen so far at this company I don't think they'd furlough from one airline rather than another because of favoritism.
Two reasons ASA furloughed and SkyWest didn't:
1. Furloughing a large portion of our Brasilia pilot group, training CRJ FOs on the Bro, then reversing the entire process at the end of the winter would be incredibly expensive. If we were an all jet fleet like ASA, I doubt very much if we'd have avoided furloughing. Basically, it would cost roughly twice as much to furlough a SKW pilot than it would an ASA pilot.
2. Considering SKW flies a different mix of United/Delta/Midwest (at the time) the actual block hour reduction was different and probably more dynamic than ASA's so they may have had reason to stay more flexible.
No matter how you cut it, each airline faces different challenges and if the day comes that they are actually pitting us against each other, a la the Trans States vs. GoJets United 700 debacle, then I imagine we'll rally to change it.
Two reasons ASA furloughed and SkyWest didn't:
1. Furloughing a large portion of our Brasilia pilot group, training CRJ FOs on the Bro, then reversing the entire process at the end of the winter would be incredibly expensive. If we were an all jet fleet like ASA, I doubt very much if we'd have avoided furloughing. Basically, it would cost roughly twice as much to furlough a SKW pilot than it would an ASA pilot.
2. Considering SKW flies a different mix of United/Delta/Midwest (at the time) the actual block hour reduction was different and probably more dynamic than ASA's so they may have had reason to stay more flexible.
No matter how you cut it, each airline faces different challenges and if the day comes that they are actually pitting us against each other, a la the Trans States vs. GoJets United 700 debacle, then I imagine we'll rally to change it.
01-26-2010, 06:23 PM
#115
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SKW Inc is about dollars and cents, from what I've seen so far at this company I don't think they'd furlough from one airline rather than another because of favoritism.
Two reasons ASA furloughed and SkyWest didn't:
1. Furloughing a large portion of our Brasilia pilot group, training CRJ FOs on the Bro, then reversing the entire process at the end of the winter would be incredibly expensive. If we were an all jet fleet like ASA, I doubt very much if we'd have avoided furloughing. Basically, it would cost roughly twice as much to furlough a SKW pilot than it would an ASA pilot.
2. Considering SKW flies a different mix of United/Delta/Midwest (at the time) the actual block hour reduction was different and probably more dynamic than ASA's so they may have had reason to stay more flexible.
No matter how you cut it, each airline faces different challenges and if the day comes that they are actually pitting us against each other, a la the Trans States vs. GoJets United 700 debacle, then I imagine we'll rally to change it.
Two reasons ASA furloughed and SkyWest didn't:
1. Furloughing a large portion of our Brasilia pilot group, training CRJ FOs on the Bro, then reversing the entire process at the end of the winter would be incredibly expensive. If we were an all jet fleet like ASA, I doubt very much if we'd have avoided furloughing. Basically, it would cost roughly twice as much to furlough a SKW pilot than it would an ASA pilot.
2. Considering SKW flies a different mix of United/Delta/Midwest (at the time) the actual block hour reduction was different and probably more dynamic than ASA's so they may have had reason to stay more flexible.
No matter how you cut it, each airline faces different challenges and if the day comes that they are actually pitting us against each other, a la the Trans States vs. GoJets United 700 debacle, then I imagine we'll rally to change it.
01-26-2010, 07:19 PM
#116
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I'm pretty sick of this "It's not fair" crap. There are people here at Skywest that are junior to me and they are making 37 an hour on reserve on the Jet while I make 29 on the bro on reserve. That's difference of 7,200$ a year, same for Fo's at ASA while they may not be junior to me(not sure of their last hire dates) So you wanna talk unfair, get me that 7,200$ a year and we'll talk about merging lists. I doubt the junior fo's at ASA really want to come trade places with me and lose 7,200$ per year. So yeah, because of circumstances certain pilots(Junior ASA FO's) are treated more favorably than others(EMB FO's at Skywest)
01-26-2010, 07:26 PM
#117
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I'm pretty sick of this "It's not fair" crap. There are people here at Skywest that are junior to me and they are making 37 an hour on reserve on the Jet while I make 29 on the bro on reserve. That's difference of 7,200$ a year, same for Fo's at ASA while they may not be junior to me(not sure of their last hire dates) So you wanna talk unfair, get me that 7,200$ a year and we'll talk about merging lists. I doubt the junior fo's at ASA really want to come trade places with me and lose 7,200$ per year. So yeah, because of circumstances certain pilots(Junior ASA FO's) are treated more favorably than others(EMB FO's at Skywest)
01-26-2010, 07:37 PM
#118
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Probably the two biggest reasons against combining are:
1) domiciles. If ASA pilots could bid into my domicile, my seniority would be less. Which brings me to the second point,
2) upgrade times. I think there are plenty of ASA fo's who are senior to me and would obviously take an upgrade before me, stretching out my decade long wait, to probably two.
1) domiciles. If ASA pilots could bid into my domicile, my seniority would be less. Which brings me to the second point,
2) upgrade times. I think there are plenty of ASA fo's who are senior to me and would obviously take an upgrade before me, stretching out my decade long wait, to probably two.
Are you saying you've already waited, or will have to wait a decade to upgrade at SkyWest? I can only think of 1 person that has remained an f.o. here for over a decade, and she did it by choice...
01-26-2010, 07:45 PM
#119
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And that is a product of the lack of raises given to the EMB pilots the last couple of times your non-union representatives put it out to vote. Its too bad that the little leverage pilots get is from a union recognized by the NMB which forces the company to bargain in good faith and take into account the possibility of self help.
01-26-2010, 07:53 PM
#120
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There will be many of us at SKW that will wait at least a decade to upgrade, at the most junior base. And thats being OPTIMISTIC.
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