Colgan Air Hiring FOs for Saab 340 and Q400
01-20-2010, 04:16 PM
#201
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Lear 55 CA
Posts: 244
Now I know why you do not want to say what airline you work for.
YOU WORK FOR MESA.
You are using 2 screen names. There is another member whose name is Winglet who has a picture of an eagle as his avatar. Your name is Winglets and have pictures of 2 eagles as your avatar.
Ya' Busted Son...
Now, quickly deny it and log in as winglet and say you are not the same.
So how is Mesa these days?
YOU WORK FOR MESA.
You are using 2 screen names. There is another member whose name is Winglet who has a picture of an eagle as his avatar. Your name is Winglets and have pictures of 2 eagles as your avatar.
Ya' Busted Son...
Now, quickly deny it and log in as winglet and say you are not the same.
So how is Mesa these days?
01-20-2010, 04:23 PM
#202
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 93
Some say don't go to Colgan and they will get a better contract. Hold out for a better regional. Why not say, "don't go to a regional with 70+ seat jets, they are taking away mainline jobs."?
Truth be told Colgan is probably at the bottom of any airline that is replacing mainline flights. If people really wanted this industry to get better and pay better, stay away from any RJ that has more than 50 seats in it.
Hypocrites
Truth be told Colgan is probably at the bottom of any airline that is replacing mainline flights. If people really wanted this industry to get better and pay better, stay away from any RJ that has more than 50 seats in it.
Hypocrites
Due to work rules, the Eagle captain makes at least $5,000-$10,000 in pay alone and probably another $20,000 in overall compensation.
01-20-2010, 04:26 PM
#203
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 93
Now I know why you do not want to say what airline you work for.
YOU WORK FOR MESA.
You are using 2 screen names. There is another member whose name is Winglet who has a picture of an eagle as his avatar. Your name is Winglets and have pictures of 2 eagles as your avatar.
Ya' Busted Son...
Now, quickly deny it and log in as winglet and say you are not the same.
So how is Mesa these days?
YOU WORK FOR MESA.
You are using 2 screen names. There is another member whose name is Winglet who has a picture of an eagle as his avatar. Your name is Winglets and have pictures of 2 eagles as your avatar.
Ya' Busted Son...
Now, quickly deny it and log in as winglet and say you are not the same.
So how is Mesa these days?
Are you serious?
Go read the Mesa thread and you can see I was joking around with "winglet".
He was telling me I wasn't being original with my name. I then told him "I have more", with regards to plane winglets, and made my picture into two eagles.
I really hope you were joking with this one.
Also, if you see what I posted on the Mesa thread you should know I did not go there. Mesa is an airline I chose not to go early to and waited for a better compensated one.
01-20-2010, 06:08 PM
#204
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Student Pilot
Posts: 849
I do not know where $1200 is coming from, I make more than that as an FO.
$45 for the most junior non-street Saab Captain X 75 hour min = $3375 or $40,500 a year. This is with not working a penny over minimum and never getting per diem for any overnight trip. I was talking to my friend who is based in IAH and an early 2007 hire made $50,000 last year.
$45 for the most junior non-street Saab Captain X 75 hour min = $3375 or $40,500 a year. This is with not working a penny over minimum and never getting per diem for any overnight trip. I was talking to my friend who is based in IAH and an early 2007 hire made $50,000 last year.
$42x75=3150
3150-(about)100 for health insurance=3050
Assuming 20% for federal/state taxes=3050-600=2440
2440/2=1220 per paycheck. Looks accurate to me. Even quoting your example of 45/hr it still comes close to 1200/paycheck in the end.
I have actually seen a CA paycheck in '07 when I was flying with an '05 hire. we were based at an outstation (no per diem) and I remember it being around $1200... I was shocked (and it's still pretty shocking). Last year I saw an '07 captain's W-2, he had grossed $36k or 37k. No per diem of course because of outstation basing. Your friend must've picked a lot of open time... that kind of opportunity just isn't around anymore, at least I don't know if the open time available/reserve situation is different down in IAH. For example my line is only credited at 65 hrs like many of the other lines... to make over guarantee, I would need to pick up THREE separate trips (assuming each trip is worth 5 hrs of flying) because the first two only serve to bring me up to guarantee. Scheduling rarely grants lineholders open time, let alone 3 in one month! Even then, at the end of picking up 3 extra trips in a month, I would have made only 5 hrs of extra pay over guarantee. See, it's not for lack of trying. To be fair I did pretty well in the first year picking up plenty of open time when the Colgans were still running the place. Those were the days of 85-90 hr lines. But Pinnacle seems intent on making everyone earn only bare minimum guarantee (and 12 days off for senior lines.)
Anyhows I'm quite (pleasantly) shocked about this new repo pay credit. I'm assuming it's per repo rountrip, not for the entire month. That actually makes the work worth it.
01-20-2010, 06:17 PM
#205
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Left
Posts: 251
I think winglets has an interview...
01-20-2010, 06:23 PM
#206
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Hawker 800XP/G280 PIC
Posts: 186
01-20-2010, 06:53 PM
#207
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 93
Really though, I haven't even entertained the thought. I've talked to many former Colgan pilots and have a pretty good idea how things are there versus a bunch of other places. I'm really trying to save you guys the head ache and help the current Colgan pilots get the best chances at a better contract.
01-20-2010, 07:32 PM
#208
Where's my Mai Tai?
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: fins to the left, fins to the right
Posts: 1,754
What work rules would you be referring to? Trip rig? Duty rig? I'm not sure about the work rules that paid me more at Eagle than a Colgan captain would make with the same years of service. Do you work at either?
01-20-2010, 07:43 PM
#209
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
He said it was 2nd year CA take-home paycheck:
$42x75=3150
3150-(about)100 for health insurance=3050
Assuming 20% for federal/state taxes=3050-600=2440
2440/2=1220 per paycheck. Looks accurate to me. Even quoting your example of 45/hr it still comes close to 1200/paycheck in the end.
I have actually seen a CA paycheck in '07 when I was flying with an '05 hire. we were based at an outstation (no per diem) and I remember it being around $1200... I was shocked (and it's still pretty shocking). Last year I saw an '07 captain's W-2, he had grossed $36k or 37k. No per diem of course because of outstation basing. Your friend must've picked a lot of open time... that kind of opportunity just isn't around anymore, at least I don't know if the open time available/reserve situation is different down in IAH. For example my line is only credited at 65 hrs like many of the other lines... to make over guarantee, I would need to pick up THREE separate trips (assuming each trip is worth 5 hrs of flying) because the first two only serve to bring me up to guarantee. Scheduling rarely grants lineholders open time, let alone 3 in one month! Even then, at the end of picking up 3 extra trips in a month, I would have made only 5 hrs of extra pay over guarantee. See, it's not for lack of trying. To be fair I did pretty well in the first year picking up plenty of open time when the Colgans were still running the place. Those were the days of 85-90 hr lines. But Pinnacle seems intent on making everyone earn only bare minimum guarantee (and 12 days off for senior lines.)
Anyhows I'm quite (pleasantly) shocked about this new repo pay credit. I'm assuming it's per repo rountrip, not for the entire month. That actually makes the work worth it.
$42x75=3150
3150-(about)100 for health insurance=3050
Assuming 20% for federal/state taxes=3050-600=2440
2440/2=1220 per paycheck. Looks accurate to me. Even quoting your example of 45/hr it still comes close to 1200/paycheck in the end.
I have actually seen a CA paycheck in '07 when I was flying with an '05 hire. we were based at an outstation (no per diem) and I remember it being around $1200... I was shocked (and it's still pretty shocking). Last year I saw an '07 captain's W-2, he had grossed $36k or 37k. No per diem of course because of outstation basing. Your friend must've picked a lot of open time... that kind of opportunity just isn't around anymore, at least I don't know if the open time available/reserve situation is different down in IAH. For example my line is only credited at 65 hrs like many of the other lines... to make over guarantee, I would need to pick up THREE separate trips (assuming each trip is worth 5 hrs of flying) because the first two only serve to bring me up to guarantee. Scheduling rarely grants lineholders open time, let alone 3 in one month! Even then, at the end of picking up 3 extra trips in a month, I would have made only 5 hrs of extra pay over guarantee. See, it's not for lack of trying. To be fair I did pretty well in the first year picking up plenty of open time when the Colgans were still running the place. Those were the days of 85-90 hr lines. But Pinnacle seems intent on making everyone earn only bare minimum guarantee (and 12 days off for senior lines.)
Anyhows I'm quite (pleasantly) shocked about this new repo pay credit. I'm assuming it's per repo rountrip, not for the entire month. That actually makes the work worth it.
I was shocked, as you said as well, when I say a 1 hr repo for IAD...must of been a typo. Are you a 2007 hire?
01-20-2010, 08:11 PM
#210
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 707
Who cares who any of us work for... We all have the same goal, move on to a mjor, legacy, or great corporate job. Usually a regional is stepping stone, we need them just as much as they need us. So as far as me, I would never waste my time not working in a 121 carrier postion just for crappy work rules. Im gonna do whatever I have to do to get where I want. Any of you all who want to be big and macho and refuse to work for Colgan go ahead, in fact give me your exact names so when I am interviewing i can go ahead and scratch you off the list and tell management not to call you. And yes for all you people out there talking about over 50 seats taking away mainline flying, why dont you get on the majors forums and start complaing to those mainline guys and tell them to do something about it. Cause this aint the thread to do on. Every regional out there has takin away mainline flying, except the cessna carriers. And just because an aircraft is over 50 seats means its taking away from mainline? Look at express jet, they operate a erj from IAH to IAD, and they go there multiple times a day. WHO CARES!! Get mad at the mainline management. Get over yourself if your trying to prove a point by not taking a job with a lower reputable company.
