Colgan Air Hiring FOs for Saab 340 and Q400
01-19-2010, 10:08 AM
#132
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01-19-2010, 11:58 AM
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01-19-2010, 01:07 PM
#137
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The ugly truth is that Colgan probabally has thousands of applications to sort through. This is an airline that has ZERO respect for its line pilots. You WILL be harassed for calling out sick or fatigue. They WILL threaten your job and suspension if you refuse to fly an aircraft for saftey related reasons. And they will LIE through their teeth to the public about how they operate their airline.
The only thing management at Colgan Air is concrened with is completion factor, and they will stop at nothing to get their way.
Colgan management is directly responsible for harboring the fear and intimidation about calling out sick and fatigue regarding this accident. And yet they still continue to operate the way they do.
The only thing management at Colgan Air is concrened with is completion factor, and they will stop at nothing to get their way.
Colgan management is directly responsible for harboring the fear and intimidation about calling out sick and fatigue regarding this accident. And yet they still continue to operate the way they do.
I don't know why everyone is all up on winglets, esp the applicants who are making it obvious that they know absolutely nothing about colgan... When you say you are asking for information, are you really just wanting an affirmation that you are making the right choice? And why does it matter where he works when he has a very good point about the whole thing?
I think that the applicants should ask specific questions that way you won't just get a response "dont go there." However true that may be it probably doesn't help the querrying party and only serves to give them the impression that the person is just bitter. I do realize it's kind of hard to ask specific questions when you're a CFI and don't know yet about the many fine practices like junior manning, extensions, REPO (based in Dulles, anyone?)
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01-19-2010, 01:08 PM
#138
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The best chance for the Colgan pilots to get a decent contract is for you to not go there and give them leverage for their contract negotiations.
Look at their pay here.. http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...olgan_air.html
75 hours X $21 = $18,900/year. You will take home less than that. You get no 401K matching (if that has changed the Colgan pilots can correct me)
for your second year... 75 hours X $26 = $23,400/year.
This is the pay for a 70 seat aircraft.
Comparison?
Horizon - Q400 (70 seats)
75 hours X $29 = $26,100/year. You get 401K matching ($1 for $1 up to 10%) This is another $2,610/year. 1st year = $28,710
for your second year... 75 hours X $39 = $35,100/year. + $3,510 401K = $38,610 for your second year.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...rizon_air.html
Look at their pay here.. http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...olgan_air.html
75 hours X $21 = $18,900/year. You will take home less than that. You get no 401K matching (if that has changed the Colgan pilots can correct me)
for your second year... 75 hours X $26 = $23,400/year.
This is the pay for a 70 seat aircraft.
Comparison?
Horizon - Q400 (70 seats)
75 hours X $29 = $26,100/year. You get 401K matching ($1 for $1 up to 10%) This is another $2,610/year. 1st year = $28,710
for your second year... 75 hours X $39 = $35,100/year. + $3,510 401K = $38,610 for your second year.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...rizon_air.html
And let's take those numbers a little further and look at cost of living:
Horizon's bases are SEA and PDX
Probably most of the Colgan new hires will go to EWR or IAH
Let's say "Fred" earns $20,000
Houston is the cheapest, so we will use it as the reference
For Fred to have the same standard of living in ________ he would need to earn _____.
Houston - $20,000
Newark - $24,414
Portland - $25,446
Seattle - $30,785
Cost of Living Comparison
Again, using Houston as the reference, here are the first and second year pays converted for the standard of living:
Horizon PDX: $19,053 $25,623
Colgan IAH: $18,900 $23,400
Colgan EWR: $14,742 $18,252
Horizon SEA: $12,006 $16,145
So, would I like to have the work rules Horizon has? Absolutely. However, no disrespect meant to the folks in Oregon, but a couple thousand per year isn't enough to make me up and move to Portland.
If Fred chooses to commute, the number of variables increases and I just don't care to figure them out.
Food for thought
01-19-2010, 01:49 PM
#139
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What's the Per Diem at Colgan? Are there Trip/Duty rigs? Deadhead pay? Cancellation Pay? Any Medical Exam or Uniform reimbursement?
Don't just look at the hourly rate!
PS: There is no income tax in Washington State.
Don't just look at the hourly rate!
PS: There is no income tax in Washington State.
01-19-2010, 02:19 PM
#140
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Per Diem alone, how its paid for day trips and overnights, adds up and increases your total compensation for the year. Some people say it shouldn't be included when you say how much you make, but that is probably because they get less than others. It pays for your food that you would have to pay for anyways. That does affect you bottom line for the year vs. if you didn't get it.
Exactly. PDX is a lot cheaper that EWR from what I see. Even SEA for that matter. Plus look at how much nicer those places are over EWR.
This is all true. It had eased up somewhat after the accident, but it seems to me they are slowly creeping back to their old ways. Lying through their teeth to the public is correct... I read the report they sent to NTSB (the one that came a month or two ago I think?) and it was full of outright blatant LIES. I hate the fact that I have to work for scums like them (to ME it feels like it makes me no different than these scum since I chose to work for them) and am in the process of getting out as well.
I don't know why everyone is all up on winglets, esp the applicants who are making it obvious that they know absolutely nothing about colgan... When you say you are asking for information, are you really just wanting an affirmation that you are making the right choice? And why does it matter where he works when he has a very good point about the whole thing?
I think that the applicants should ask specific questions that way you won't just get a response "dont go there." However true that may be it probably doesn't help the querrying party and only serves to give them the impression that the person is just bitter. I do realize it's kind of hard to ask specific questions when you're a CFI and don't know yet about the many fine practices like junior manning, extensions, REPO (based in Dulles, anyone?)
I don't know why everyone is all up on winglets, esp the applicants who are making it obvious that they know absolutely nothing about colgan... When you say you are asking for information, are you really just wanting an affirmation that you are making the right choice? And why does it matter where he works when he has a very good point about the whole thing?
I think that the applicants should ask specific questions that way you won't just get a response "dont go there." However true that may be it probably doesn't help the querrying party and only serves to give them the impression that the person is just bitter. I do realize it's kind of hard to ask specific questions when you're a CFI and don't know yet about the many fine practices like junior manning, extensions, REPO (based in Dulles, anyone?)
