NoStep

So, you're a new poster here at APC,won't admit where you work,and even though you're not calling people SCABs, you're implying it. You sound suspiciously like the troll "Skyhigh"...just lobbing thread-grenades to shut this thread down, perhaps?

BTW, SCAB stands for Still Collecting All Benefits (of the strikers who sweat it out while the SCAB reaps the reward) Nobody's crossing a picket line here, Pumpkin.

For the 2 new recruits, "usmc-seargent" and "Flyjsh" usually have good advice on life flying a (shocker) trubo-prop for low wages.

indapit

There is a big difference between working for crappy wages and working struck flying. Colgan would be working for crappy wages.

I know a lot of good people there and they are far from scabs

AAflyer

Yes, us "guys" at the majors are just "GIVING" Away the Flying! IN fact AMR wants to let Eagle fly the 70-100 seat jets! I am so excited to give that flying away as well! However only if I can get a 2-5% raise!

After all I would never want to fly anything so small, in fact we should only fly 767s and larger at the majors!!

AA

We truly are our own worst enemy.

SkyStormer6

I have received some great advice from the colgans guys so far. Fair, honest, in no way sugar-coated advice. I don't know yet if I'm going to work there, just trying to educate myself on the situation there. I hope this thread doesn't get railroaded or shut down.

etflies

I'll be there this weekend too, Skystormer.

And yes, winglets, I know. Withdraw my app, stay away, and so on. Got it, thanks.

usmc-sgt

Thanks for the good word nostep.

I try to give non biased, non flamebait, non bashing info the best I can.

If you have questions feel free to send them my way.

Here is a quick background so you have some info on what I know.

I am a roughly 2.5 year FO based in EWR since roughly 4 months before the dash 8 arrived. From this you can deduce that I was hired directly into the plane while knowing the rates were poor.

I am actively and as a matter of fact have been actively looking to leave here since about 6 months after I started because part 121 is not and has never been what I am looking for. Colgan has not helped the situation having taken in a little under 30K for the last few years but I would be actively looking regardless.

I am in the 20th or so percentile in seniority in base and have been a line holder since I started here.

I was hired a few months after we were bought so I have seen old Colgan and I have seen new Colgan.

With that info you now know what I can help you with, I know only second hand info regarding the saab, nothing about any base other than EWR and nothing about life on reserve other than what I see around me.

I have no idea who winglets is but I do think (s)he is onto something in saying that no one should apply here because if they can not find a single applicant than that will DRASTICALLY improve our chances at securing a contract. With this being said, I dont think there is a single person here who believes for even a fraction of a second that Colgan will not have 100 applications for every open seat.

To be honest, and we did it to ourselves: If Colgan said that it was now going to be PFT, they wanted 3000 TT with prior 121 and the pay was now $6/hr and you had to have blue eyes I still think they would fill their quota.

It is sad but I will say it again....it is what it is.

NoStep

Please don't do it!! Other majors have just given up on scope, and look where we are today. It wasn't that long ago when flying for a regional meant...well...flying for an outfit like Colgan, and after living through it, you may have a chance to finally have a good livelihood at a major flying 727's -to-747's. Even though alot of us are furloughed, we'd like to have something worthwhile to shoot for! As far as I'm concerned, I wish my airline would scrap all the 50 seat jets and buy fast, fuel efficient q400's like Colgan has, and let Daddy-D fly the jets.

winglets

Where did I call someone a scab? It was one of the applicants that suggested that if he didn't apply to Colgan, someone else would. I told him that was a poor excuse at justifying going there. That is where I said even scabs say stuff like that to justify flying struck work.

I never called him a scab, he just assumed it because he can't understand the point I am making.

No one called the Colgan pilots scabs. Someone applying there just assumed I said they were scabs. I will say it over and over again. The Colgan pilots deserve all the help at getting a good contract. The best thing you can do for them is not to apply there.

Listen to USMC, he is telling you, along with other Colgan pilots that they are trying to get out. I really hope you educate yourself that going to Colgan is not a good idea. You will really be doing the Colgan pilots a favor in their contract negotiations by not going there.

Listen to USMC, he even says he thinks no one applying there will do the best at raising the pay there.




usmc-sgt... well said

FlyJSH

Okay, let's nip that in the bud right now.

Let's compare a few routes CO flies and who is flying them (one way, non stop on 28 Jan):

EWR to PIT: three Express Jet and four Colgan
EWR to BUF: two Express Jet and three Colgan
EWR to DCA: four Express Jet and three Colgan
IAH to MCI: three Express Jet and One CO 737
IAH to BNA: seven Express Jet
ORD to CLE: five Chautauqua and two Express Jet

Here are the planes carrying CO ticket holders:
CO has about 350 airframes
Express Jet about 240
Chautauqua guessing around 20-30 CO airframes
Colgan about 25
CommuteAir 16
Gulfstream around 10
Cape Air 2 (ATRs, not sure if they are flying the 402s for CO)

Now, WHO is it that is taking 737 flying away?

NoStep

I like orange juice...Hitler liked orange juice...I must be a Nazi !!
You're "Who ME?...I never" , attitude is glaringly obvious. Your point about applying is similar to the idiot hippies with bumper-stickers "What if they threw a war and nobody came?"

Colgan flies truboprops for bad pay and workrules...we get it! Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? If they were paying that wage to someone flying a 90 seat jet that would be wrong...(and this would be a Republic thread).