Nevets

You mean like what Skywest management tried to do to the XJT scope?

Rightseat Ballast

I honestly don't think there is such a thing as a fair solution in this case. The big gotcha to any solution is that there will still be about 400-500 pilots on furlough after the integration. No group wants their pilots to end up on the bottom. Each company can make a valid case as to why they should not bear the brunt of the furloughs. Any solution I come up with invariably leaves one group holding the bag more so that the other players.

Here is my most recent opinion. It changes as I reconsider other facts, and is by no means sanctioned by any union rep or single other pilot at my company. I think you first have to separate active from furloughed pilots. I feel that the Midwest list ought to be considered from the time when they had 16 717's on property, not just 9.

Next, I think you have to separate captains from first officers. In this case, you have to assume that everyone who could hold captain does hold captain. Senior FO's would be given hypothetical captain status, and junior captains may be knocked back to F/O for seniority consideration. With active captains isolated, you then go by date of hire. That is how the top of the list would look. Mostly Midwest and Frontier guys at the top, with the eldest RAH lifers speckled in. In general though, RAH and Lynx captains would be beneath Midwest and frontier captains.

Next, take your active first officers and do the same...DOH among this group. YOu would end up with a similar striation of the different pilot groups.

Finally, furloughs would be integrated by original DOH as well.

This would serve to keep most everyone in their same seat and equipment. Frontier and Midwest might have some shuffling, but most everyone would stay on the Airbus and 190. RAH'ers would end up on the 170's and 145's, and Lynx'ers would mostly remain on the Dash. People could bid for whichever aircraft they choose, so some odd cases may exist. This would also, in general terms, assure that Midwest and Frontier FO's would have the first access to upgrades. Would this mean that RAH and Lynx captains have first access to Airbus and 190 captain seats? Yes. Nothing is perfect, but this would preserve pay for the most senior in each seat, protect many from displacement, and give recognition to both DOH and relative seniority. Constructive input and criticism is appreciated, but please don't reinterpret my words into something other than this being one pilot's fleeting idea.

TheRedBaron1967

AS a RAH furlough that sounds fair to me too. No staples and DOH determines the list for the most part. I still think F9 guys should get a edge up since most of them have been there and done that on the regional thing. Another reason we as a group need a National DOH 121 seniority list.

AirWillie

How exactly did they fight it off? By agreeing to merge the (re -- pub--lics) alter egos to fly 99 seaters for 37 dollars per hour indefinitely? I'm not saying that was a bad move now that you're taking over majors but I wish some of you would get off the high horse.

Positive_Rate

Really?????

dojetdriver

Wasn't just AA and UA that did that. DAL has (or had, not sure) similar language in their CBA. And it didn't matter what the paint was on the other aircraft flying outside their system.

Hence that when the first I-Air Airbus flew, it was a violation of the DAL scope language. Didn't matter, the Delcon was to be terminated anyway. Just sayin'.

citation9

If you want to know what rsv is like visit hell. That would be the best way to convey to you what it's like.
A typical schedule goes like this. 6 on 2 off sometimes 3 off just depends. Be prepared to spend 260+ days away from home a year. 4 a.m. phone calls from scheduling commanding you to waste your life on ready rsv or some 6 leg day including 2 deadheads. If you commute it will take you one who day to gain some sleep back and wash your uniform. The next day you will pack your bags and catch some flt that your destined to get bumped off of and finally catch a flight sitting in a jump seat all night getting to your reporting airport for a 5:25 a.m. show. Just remember your off 2 days but there's a good chance you're going home on one of them or returning on the other. You will be making below the poverty line and you will get hit the most for expenses. Being on reserve you make A LOT less than a line pilot. Seeing that you have no idea were you will be sleeping or showing up or leaving work you will be forced to buy crash pads and hotels. If you have any student loans which the overwhelming majority of us do. You will not be able to keep your head above water and begin digging yourself further in debt. Seeing that your on reserve you are also junior. EXPECT to be displaced at least twice to more expensive cities and being forced to commute as you can't break leases that easily. Your social life will be COMPLETELY depleted. You will be home during the day while your peers are at work. You will be gone a minimum of 260+ days and you will have absolutely NO quality of life. I've seen my co-workers who are in marriages or relationships and they all are in trouble or failed. Don't forget to start saving for a triple bypass surgery when you hit 60 because it's almost impossible to eat healthy (believe me I'm a health nut) and the stress of the job and hardly being able to sleep will take a huge toll on your body. It is very unfortunate that this is the way the industry is. It is no longer a respectable job thanks to ME. Don't let anybody sugar coat it. This is how it is. I would be the person to ask.

HercDriver130

What the heck does this have to do with RAH senority lists... me thinks you posted in the wrong place.

mccube5

if you feel that consideration should be given to those guys the same principle should be applied to the former YX'ers. no way any of the furloughed RAH guys should end up above anyone on the final list. heck i even think that all the guys from F9 and YX should be placed above every FO on the RAH list, but what do i know.

TillerEnvy

Apparently you don't know much. Heard of Alleghany Mohawk?? So, you think the bankrupt and near bankrupt company should have it's employees placed above the purchasing company employees? Wow, makes sense to me. Luckily for everyone, an arbitrator will make the decision.