beech_nut

None of that fancy dead head pay or pay above minimums stuff matters at the ole C5. They don't get any of that fancy stuff so they will be in the bottom of the barrel no matter what happens.

CaptainNameless

The Horizon ranking is misleading. They only have 10 bid periods per year, not 12, so the Horizon numbers are probably about 17% less than what these charts might suggest.

usmc-sgt

At Colgan I rarely ever credit over block. There is nothing fancy about our "contract" and If you are not trying very hard to make extra you will see none.

An example is I am a lineholder:
I want as many days off as possible and I commute so do not ever bother calling me to ask me to pick up a trip (scheduling). Because of this I may block 75-80 hours per month.

Our trips are blocked pretty generously and when we have massive edct times (always) we are aware and typically will not board the plane and subject the pax to a 3 hour sit. Because of this I will get to the plane at noon for a noon 30 departure, have an edct of 4PM so we will board at 3:15, push off the gate at 3:45 and end up sitting for 30 or so minutes more depending on ATCs mood. We fly the flight and end up under block since the company anticipates the delay and the sit so no extra credit.

I deadhead maybe once every 4 months so that half credit is never there

I never ever EVER work on days off so the 3.45 credit is never there

repo credit only happens in ALB and it is 10 or 15 minutes and take 35 so I avoid that like the plague.

MX/WX canx although these are common here for some reason they never come my way.

Holidays, do not usually work them so no 3.45 there

Training (my favorite) I had ground m-f so I bid a line with a trip m-thur. They drop the trip for training (worth 22 hours) and do NOT give me the credit for it. They then pay me 10 hours credit for 5 days of training but since I lost the 22 hour trip I am under guarantee for the month so that month is shot.

Long story short, on average my block vs credit is almost always dead on with the exception of a couple rare hours (less than 5).

That is what a lack of contract can do. Express jet does not have this problem since with little effort many of my FO friends there will end up with MORE days off than they started with and 60 hours block and 85 hours credit all through witchcraft and trickery working the system and their great contract.

Utah

I typically credit 300 hours more than I block every year. I bid for trips that start or end with one flight of usually an hour or so thats paid at minimum daily gaurantee. Through in a a few standups, deadheads and cancellations, and it adds up pretty quick.

Pinchanickled

Well hopefully the Pinnacle negotiators can help these figures go up instead of down. For years we've been an ANCHOR to the entire airline profession as a whole.....sorry.

But - Bravo! to our pilot group for voting NO to a concessionary contract.

Airline pilots are professionals.....nothing short.

jaded

I didn't know that, do you mind explaining why?

jaded

Another thing also, I'd like to make a chart based on hourly rate/seating capacity... For example Air Wisconsin, 50 seats/$25 would be $0.50 per seat per hour etc instead of annual income based in min guarantee. I need your help. Some airplanes are obvious, but I don't have the seating capacity info on some regionals. Perhaps someone can point to a place I can find this, or you can tell me what airline you work, the various airplanes you operate and the seating capacity. I'll first make a comparison among regionals and then compare it to mainline pay. Thanks. If you prefer to PM that's also fine.

dojetdriver

I'm not going to downplay how good XJT's CBA is,not in the least. Especially compared to what's out there at some other operators. Along with the fact that although we took an hourly concession that we're not getting back, our work rules didn't change.

But like I mentioned in the other thread, the previous employers CBA was way more lucrative on the W2.

2000 was an incomplete year, coupled with a newhire training, etc

2001 1390 credit hours, 754 in the logbook
2002 1360 credit, 684 in the book
2003 1168 cedit, 599 in the book
2004 1079 credit 524 in the book
2005 260 credit, ZERO flown, under that CBA.

Minimal, if any open time pickup for 2000-2002, NONE for 2003-2005. And I didn't even try that hard from a "working the contract" standpoint. Other guys I know were doing in the 1400-1600 hour range using the PFM of the CBA.

Sad how this career/profession has deteriorated, even at the "regional" level.

likeitis

In other words while other pilots from your airline are eating gov't cheese you are cashing in your vacation and picking up open time. Marvelous!

AirWillie

Who cares? The airline pay is a joke and at the majors too. And 9 times out of 10 the pay is last on someones mind when they apply to the regionals. If it was, they wouldn't have become professional pilots in the first place.