ASA Furloughs/Skywest Hiring!?!
12-21-2009, 04:21 PM
#51
Line Holder
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: CRJ 700/FO-Furloughed
Posts: 76
To be honest, I really do like the folks at Skywest! Their crews have always been extremely nice when I have jumpseated or chatted with them.. Also, I think overall things have greatly improved at ASA over the past few years since SKW bought us.. My only point in my original post was to see if anyone thought that us furloughees would have been sent over there... No ill will towards SKW was intended.. nor to imply any entitlement.. 
12-21-2009, 04:27 PM
#52
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 478
I think that ASA furloughees should be picked up first here at SKW. I say that as one of the ASA --> SkyWest guys. And no, I had way more than enough time to go to SKW when I went to ASA.
12-21-2009, 04:44 PM
#53
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,108
Don't complain on here, talk to your ASA ALPA people...they need to get their fat butts down to SGU and stick up for their list. ASA furloughs should get hired (or at least interviewed) at SKW before poolies. Nothing they can do about UAL though.
12-21-2009, 05:25 PM
#54
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: ATL
Posts: 413
I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt, I don't think SKW is a better company than ASA or vice versa, in fact right now your work rules are generally better than ours, I believe once things get going again you will have a shorter Jet upgrade and I think you have a more progressive management team vs our good ol' boy conservative, slow growth mentality. I think the guys at the top of Inc. care a bit about both the airlines' respective reputations but are bean counters at heart.
Delta has been reducing its regional feed for quite some time now, we've both been affected and both companies are bartering with United to absorb some of the loss of block hours. The difference being that SKW's Delta flying makes up less than half of our total block hours, while until recently, they were your only source for flying. Delta's reductions hit Inc. all the way around, but SKW was already in with UAL so we were able to get our A/C flying again quicker, albeit in an at-risk capacity.
My point is that when I was shopping for airlines, I saw SKW as a better option that ASA or XJT because they didn't have all their eggs in one basket and I guessed had better potential for growth. A few years down the road I was partly wrong, I believe I'd be higher up on the ASA list than SKW but would be near the bottom of XJT after all the furloughs. We all made our choices and why people went to ASA or SKW is their prerogative. If you're upset about the choice you made to go to any given airline or how long you waited to go (lord knows I fly with plenty of guys who wish they had gone elsewhere) you need only look in the mirror to find the real culprit. I've reconciled with the fact that I would've been a captain if I'd finished school online but at the time I made the choice to wait it out; I still play the what if games but I have to remind myself that at this point there's really nothing I can do about it.
Delta has been reducing its regional feed for quite some time now, we've both been affected and both companies are bartering with United to absorb some of the loss of block hours. The difference being that SKW's Delta flying makes up less than half of our total block hours, while until recently, they were your only source for flying. Delta's reductions hit Inc. all the way around, but SKW was already in with UAL so we were able to get our A/C flying again quicker, albeit in an at-risk capacity.
My point is that when I was shopping for airlines, I saw SKW as a better option that ASA or XJT because they didn't have all their eggs in one basket and I guessed had better potential for growth. A few years down the road I was partly wrong, I believe I'd be higher up on the ASA list than SKW but would be near the bottom of XJT after all the furloughs. We all made our choices and why people went to ASA or SKW is their prerogative. If you're upset about the choice you made to go to any given airline or how long you waited to go (lord knows I fly with plenty of guys who wish they had gone elsewhere) you need only look in the mirror to find the real culprit. I've reconciled with the fact that I would've been a captain if I'd finished school online but at the time I made the choice to wait it out; I still play the what if games but I have to remind myself that at this point there's really nothing I can do about it.
12-21-2009, 08:09 PM
#56
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: crj-200 FO
Posts: 479
my god people... take a freaking breath and calm the heck down... we work for the same freaking company. Since inc. bought ASA they have at times manipulated us against each other. And the statement of no skw pilot going to ASA is not true. I met one guy once that came from skyw, don't remember the guys name though. But at the end of the day I KNOW ASA nor SKYW pilots want to see the other fail. Go read our SEC contracts, if one fails DL can cancel the contract of the other. I chose ASA because SKYW was NOT HIRING at the time and I personally think ASA was a good place to work too. I didn't care if I went to ASA or SKYW, both were good choices to me. I am a furloughed ASA pilot and I hold no ill will to SKYW pilots. Truth is, I don't want to start over at SKYW. There is way too much assuming on this topic right now and we are really going below the belt here. CALM DOWN...
Also if the shoe was on the other foot and SKYW had guys on the St. and ASA was hiring, I totally would back you guys up. We are still in the same family and family comes 1st.
Also if the shoe was on the other foot and SKYW had guys on the St. and ASA was hiring, I totally would back you guys up. We are still in the same family and family comes 1st.
12-21-2009, 08:20 PM
#57
Line Holder
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: CRJ 700/FO-Furloughed
Posts: 76
my god people... take a freaking breath and calm the heck down... we work for the same freaking company. Since inc. bought ASA they have at times manipulated us against each other. And the statement of no skw pilot going to ASA is not true. I met one guy once that came from skyw, don't remember the guys name though. But at the end of the day I KNOW ASA nor SKYW pilots want to see the other fail. Go read our SEC contracts, if one fails DL can cancel the contract of the other. I chose ASA because SKYW was NOT HIRING at the time and I personally think ASA was a good place to work too. I didn't care if I went to ASA or SKYW, both were good choices to me. I am a furloughed ASA pilot and I hold no ill will to SKYW pilots. Truth is, I don't want to start over at SKYW. There is way too much assuming on this topic right now and we are really going below the belt here. CALM DOWN...
Also if the shoe was on the other foot and SKYW had guys on the St. and ASA was hiring, I totally would back you guys up. We are still in the same family and family comes 1st.
Also if the shoe was on the other foot and SKYW had guys on the St. and ASA was hiring, I totally would back you guys up. We are still in the same family and family comes 1st.
12-21-2009, 10:07 PM
#58
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 284
B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
wow I don't even know how to react to this... You kind of sum up the attitude I believe is the downfall of the entire industry... oh the kool aide
Come on
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines.
Kind of like how we have aircraft in SLC oh that's right, we shut that down! it wasn't cost effective to have us flying out there with only a few lines because our major base of ops was on the east coast. But hey SKYW in ATL makes total sense.
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
Honestly both pilot groups need to come together. I have been saying this for a long time. I don't believe it could result in anything but a better contract and end the whipsaw game. It would give us all protection against management and eachother.
You're right, PBS will reduce your staffing needs, but my QOL is much better with PBS. I bid for 8 consecutive days off every month so I can travel overseas and have yet to not be awarded it (sometimes as low as 60% in base, 90% among lineholders). You will dictate your schedule rather than the computer or scheduler who builds the hard lines.
I don't disagree that PBS is a good system especially the one that we would be getting. My reasons for voting no go deep to the principal of the matter and not PBS.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.[/QUOTE]
Right, just take what I can get and not try for better. The truth is you think we are the "Red headed step child", you clearly implied your feelings when you said earlier that I should have just applied to SKYW but was obviously under qualified and went to ASA.
The truth is that with people like you on either the ASA or SKYW side we will never be able to end the whipsaw game between the two groups. I hope for all of our sake that you don't represent all of SKYW.
wow I don't even know how to react to this... You kind of sum up the attitude I believe is the downfall of the entire industry... oh the kool aide
Come on
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines. Kind of like how we have aircraft in SLC oh that's right, we shut that down! it wasn't cost effective to have us flying out there with only a few lines because our major base of ops was on the east coast. But hey SKYW in ATL makes total sense.
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
Honestly both pilot groups need to come together. I have been saying this for a long time. I don't believe it could result in anything but a better contract and end the whipsaw game. It would give us all protection against management and eachother.
You're right, PBS will reduce your staffing needs, but my QOL is much better with PBS. I bid for 8 consecutive days off every month so I can travel overseas and have yet to not be awarded it (sometimes as low as 60% in base, 90% among lineholders). You will dictate your schedule rather than the computer or scheduler who builds the hard lines.
I don't disagree that PBS is a good system especially the one that we would be getting. My reasons for voting no go deep to the principal of the matter and not PBS.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.[/QUOTE]
Right, just take what I can get and not try for better. The truth is you think we are the "Red headed step child", you clearly implied your feelings when you said earlier that I should have just applied to SKYW but was obviously under qualified and went to ASA.
The truth is that with people like you on either the ASA or SKYW side we will never be able to end the whipsaw game between the two groups. I hope for all of our sake that you don't represent all of SKYW.
12-22-2009, 04:50 AM
#59
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: WB Bunkie
Posts: 1,246
B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
wow I don't even know how to react to this... You kind of sum up the attitude I believe is the downfall of the entire industry... oh the kool aide
Come on SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines.
Kind of like how we have aircraft in SLC oh that's right, we shut that down! it wasn't cost effective to have us flying out there with only a few lines because our major base of ops was on the east coast. But hey SKYW in ATL makes total sense.
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
Honestly both pilot groups need to come together. I have been saying this for a long time. I don't believe it could result in anything but a better contract and end the whipsaw game. It would give us all protection against management and eachother.
You're right, PBS will reduce your staffing needs, but my QOL is much better with PBS. I bid for 8 consecutive days off every month so I can travel overseas and have yet to not be awarded it (sometimes as low as 60% in base, 90% among lineholders). You will dictate your schedule rather than the computer or scheduler who builds the hard lines.
I don't disagree that PBS is a good system especially the one that we would be getting. My reasons for voting no go deep to the principal of the matter and not PBS.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.
wow I don't even know how to react to this... You kind of sum up the attitude I believe is the downfall of the entire industry... oh the kool aide
Come on
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines. Kind of like how we have aircraft in SLC oh that's right, we shut that down! it wasn't cost effective to have us flying out there with only a few lines because our major base of ops was on the east coast. But hey SKYW in ATL makes total sense.
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
Honestly both pilot groups need to come together. I have been saying this for a long time. I don't believe it could result in anything but a better contract and end the whipsaw game. It would give us all protection against management and eachother.
You're right, PBS will reduce your staffing needs, but my QOL is much better with PBS. I bid for 8 consecutive days off every month so I can travel overseas and have yet to not be awarded it (sometimes as low as 60% in base, 90% among lineholders). You will dictate your schedule rather than the computer or scheduler who builds the hard lines.
I don't disagree that PBS is a good system especially the one that we would be getting. My reasons for voting no go deep to the principal of the matter and not PBS.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.
Right, just take what I can get and not try for better. The truth is you think we are the "Red headed step child", you clearly implied your feelings when you said earlier that I should have just applied to SKYW but was obviously under qualified and went to ASA.
The truth is that with people like you on either the ASA or SKYW side we will never be able to end the whipsaw game between the two groups. I hope for all of our sake that you don't represent all of SKYW.[/QUOTE]
It seems like you're looking or people or things to get mad at. My subsequent post clarified my points, so I don't need to reiterate how I feel. ASA is a great airline but I don't blame anybody for trying to improve their lot.
To lay the "underqualified" for SkyWest thing to rest, my statements stem from the fact that at the end of the last industry hiring spree ASA's mins were 400 TT if you had a CRJ training course (aimed at Embry-Riddle and ATP guys). Your classes were so full of ERAU flight intructors that it might as well have been a bridge program; many of those guys/gals woud've scoffed at the idea of waiting longer to apply elsewhere. I'm sure there were plenty of high timers in your classes but the there was a serious influx of low time guys. Maybe you were already online and far removed from the training department when this was happening or maybe you're being defensive because you know exactly what I'm talking about. Haha, and before you pounce on my "disdain" for low time guys, I'll happily admit that obviously we were all there once and that most of us would be considered low time compared to the old standards of 3000+ TT before we'd even be considered for any Jet job.
Maybe I can't appease ya because I'm totally off base or possibly because you may be spoiling for a disagreement but I'll take the time because I think ASA is a great airline and I've always had great experiences with all the pilots I've met, furthermore we're in this mess together. Anyway I figured I'd clarify once more
Last edited by duvie; 12-22-2009 at 05:38 AM. Reason: trying unsuccessfully to fix the last bit of kangaroos unquoted post
12-22-2009, 06:04 AM
#60
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 160
[/i]
To lay the "underqualified" for SkyWest thing to rest, my statements stem from the fact that at the end of the last industry hiring spree ASA's mins were 400 TT if you had a CRJ training course (aimed at Embry-Riddle and ATP guys). Your classes were so full of ERAU flight intructors that it might as well have been a bridge program; many of those guys/gals woud've scoffed at the idea of waiting longer to apply elsewhere.
To lay the "underqualified" for SkyWest thing to rest, my statements stem from the fact that at the end of the last industry hiring spree ASA's mins were 400 TT if you had a CRJ training course (aimed at Embry-Riddle and ATP guys). Your classes were so full of ERAU flight intructors that it might as well have been a bridge program; many of those guys/gals woud've scoffed at the idea of waiting longer to apply elsewhere.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
