ASA Furloughs/Skywest Hiring!?!
12-21-2009, 01:11 PM
#31
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Why would United get jobs before pilots that work for the same parent company? I see some serious problems on the horizon.
12-21-2009, 01:14 PM
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B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines. I don't see growth coming as a result of PBS, I fear the battle with management is starting again and the hope of a future for ASA is fading with our lack of union leadership. I think we need to send a strong signal by voting no on PBS, when management shows they are ready to support us then we will support them.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.
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12-21-2009, 01:28 PM
#33
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A. If you went to ASA pre-SKYW then if you don't like it now, how would you like to be a wholly owned Delta company (Comair) pilot right now?
B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
Come on SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines.
We came pretty darn close to furloughing but got lucky enough to get the voluntary leaves we needed to keep staffing acceptable. I personally don't believe St. George thinks about "goodwill" when making decisions about furloughing, it was purely dollars and cents. At SKW we would've had to furlough Brasilia pilots, retrain jet guys and then do the reverse when it was time to recall, thus incurring a large cost for a very temporary measure. Inc gave the 14 United A/C award to you guys, not us. We are flying more at-risk routes in an attempt to keep block hours up, hardly indicative of favoritism. As for the increase in block hours that is causing the hiring of 16 whole pilots, unless it is coming from a whole new source, I don't know how that would indicate preferential treatment either. The block hour increase will likely come from UAL, from whom you just got a bunch of flying as well, DAL out of SLC where you don't operate anyway or the new branded AirTran stuff which is out of a former SKW domicile where we still have a MX base and the ability to flow pilots through from two of our largest domiciles (DEN & ORD). How would any of those increases have been a viable option for the ASA operation?
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
There's a self fulfilling prophecy.
You're right, PBS will reduce your staffing needs, but my QOL is much better with PBS. I bid for 8 consecutive days off every month so I can travel oversees and have yet to not be awarded it (sometimes as low as 60% in base, 90% among lineholders). You will dictate your schedule rather than the computer or scheduler who builds the hard lines.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.
B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
Come on
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines. We came pretty darn close to furloughing but got lucky enough to get the voluntary leaves we needed to keep staffing acceptable. I personally don't believe St. George thinks about "goodwill" when making decisions about furloughing, it was purely dollars and cents. At SKW we would've had to furlough Brasilia pilots, retrain jet guys and then do the reverse when it was time to recall, thus incurring a large cost for a very temporary measure. Inc gave the 14 United A/C award to you guys, not us. We are flying more at-risk routes in an attempt to keep block hours up, hardly indicative of favoritism. As for the increase in block hours that is causing the hiring of 16 whole pilots, unless it is coming from a whole new source, I don't know how that would indicate preferential treatment either. The block hour increase will likely come from UAL, from whom you just got a bunch of flying as well, DAL out of SLC where you don't operate anyway or the new branded AirTran stuff which is out of a former SKW domicile where we still have a MX base and the ability to flow pilots through from two of our largest domiciles (DEN & ORD). How would any of those increases have been a viable option for the ASA operation?
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
There's a self fulfilling prophecy.
You're right, PBS will reduce your staffing needs, but my QOL is much better with PBS. I bid for 8 consecutive days off every month so I can travel oversees and have yet to not be awarded it (sometimes as low as 60% in base, 90% among lineholders). You will dictate your schedule rather than the computer or scheduler who builds the hard lines.
You're gonna find what you look for in life. If you think ASA is the red-headed step child then you're certain to find evidence everywhere that supports your theory, but I'd rather be at ASA than the majority of other regionals right now.
12-21-2009, 01:35 PM
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Its all relative amigo, its not like SKW is riding high above everybody else. Jet upgrades will run 6+ years, Bro around 3
12-21-2009, 01:39 PM
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Vote no to PBS.
Don't drink the growth myth juice. What growth? Negative-growth over the past two years at ASA - all without PBS, expect more of the same and further reductions in staffing.
That no-furlough clause won't mean much when the company sees the significant cost benefit to reducing the staffing levels down to 3.5 crews per plane. It'll be a five year grieving process, in which more guys will pound the street with no jobs, and no real growth will occur.
Then again, what do I know - I'm just a bitter furloughed ASA pilot right?
The current MEC has been working on this for over a year and a half now, all while saying "No, we'll wait for the FA's to get PBS before we even discuss it. . ." Guess that didn't work out. Now, in an effort to solidify their legacy on the pilot group, the departing MEC members see the perfect opportunity to drop a giant turd on the pilot group - right before they leave office. How nice.
Vote no.
Don't drink the growth myth juice. What growth? Negative-growth over the past two years at ASA - all without PBS, expect more of the same and further reductions in staffing.
That no-furlough clause won't mean much when the company sees the significant cost benefit to reducing the staffing levels down to 3.5 crews per plane. It'll be a five year grieving process, in which more guys will pound the street with no jobs, and no real growth will occur.
Then again, what do I know - I'm just a bitter furloughed ASA pilot right?
The current MEC has been working on this for over a year and a half now, all while saying "No, we'll wait for the FA's to get PBS before we even discuss it. . ." Guess that didn't work out. Now, in an effort to solidify their legacy on the pilot group, the departing MEC members see the perfect opportunity to drop a giant turd on the pilot group - right before they leave office. How nice.
Vote no.
12-21-2009, 01:39 PM
#36
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It is all relative. Relative to everyone's own position in this recession. I would love to see the post if ASA was hiring and SKW had 100+ on the street, Amigo.
12-21-2009, 01:44 PM
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A. If you went to ASA pre-SKYW then if you don't like it now, how would you like to be a wholly owned Delta company (Comair) pilot right now?
B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
Come on SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines.
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B. If you came to ASA post-SKYW then why didn't you get more time and apply to SKYW?
Come on
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines. .
Since when did SKW become the sacred company to work for? Many people who went to ASA during the Skywest hiring boom had many good personal reasons to do so.
How many lines does ASA have in SLC? DEN? ORD? What would be you and your pilots reaction if it was just 13 or just 20 and you had people on the street?
I understand contractual obligations need to be met, but the amount of kool-aid in SGU is absurd
12-21-2009, 02:12 PM
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Come on
SKW has 13 lines in ATL, hardly a threat to your 600+ lines. You would be ****ed if ASA had 13 lines in SLC.
Everyone is telling us to vote union to gain protection from those types of policy changes, so honestly, what gives?
Well, the difference is, you guys are going to go to the HSA whining and complaining. ASA (pilots) are not going to be forced into the HSA. In fact we got an email recently saying they were 'rethinking' the health insurance crap. If you guys are lucky enough to get a choice of PPO or HSA, it will be because the ASA contract requires the company to offer similar choices that were offered when the contract was signed which includes a PPO.
Also, the PBS that we will VOTE on shortly has been negotiated between the union and company. It has not been imposed on us, nor will it be. If it does pass, it will be leaps and bounds better than most of the other carrier's PBS systems because we have had the chance to negotiate. I can also assure you it will be Flightline, not some crewbid crap that the company built for you to use.
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