Randy Babbitt.... don't backtrack
12-11-2009, 06:58 AM
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Would it make everyone feel better if we purged the airline ranks of the 300 hour wonders?
12-11-2009, 07:08 AM
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When did this happen? Last time I checked Colgan raised its hiring minimums. No one can even get a second look at any airline including Colgan, unless they have at least 2-3 thousand hours on their resume. The days of hiring 300 hour pilots are over, so why don't you get over it already?
Would it make everyone feel better if we purged the airline ranks of the 300 hour wonders?
Would it make everyone feel better if we purged the airline ranks of the 300 hour wonders?
I think it would make some of these diehards happy, well as long as you dont purge them.
12-11-2009, 07:17 AM
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Don't forget guys...it won't matter what Babbitt says...if the Senate/Congress passes the aviation safety improvement act thing that has the 1500 hour stipulation in it...it's law...and that's final.
Let's just hope for 1500 and training improvements.
Let's just hope for 1500 and training improvements.
12-11-2009, 07:22 AM
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I agree with you, however I don't think it will change anything. Prime example, go look at the Compass threads. There are several posts in there where pilots having over 5000 hours are applying there. Granted they pay a little better than Colgan, but not much in the grand scheme of it all.
Nothing is going to change until we all get on board together and demand the respect, pay, and classiness that this profession should be.
Nothing is going to change until we all get on board together and demand the respect, pay, and classiness that this profession should be.
When it all comes down to it, most pilots seem to sacrifice pay for other things like QOL and the enjoyment of the job. Pay-wise we are our own worst enemy.
Personally, if I was sitting on a logbook with anything over 5000 hours, and the only job I could get was at GoJet or Colgan, I'd pack up and go do something else.
12-11-2009, 07:36 AM
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Now if the starting pay was a reasonable $40k/year then Colgan would be able to attract the experienced pilots. And $40k is still low. We have just been conditioned to believe that we aren't worth anything more.
Let's just hope for 1500 and training improvements.
Training isn't going to give someone the experience needed to fly in the Northeast.
12-11-2009, 08:09 AM
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12-11-2009, 08:25 AM
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And this is my point. The regional airline industry has turned this job into something where experienced pilots wouldn't think of doing it. You have to ask the public if they want safety or cheap tickets. Cause you can't have both. I hear every day that people would fly a c-150 if it paid well. At Colgan you can fly a Dash 8 Q-400. But people won't because the pay and working conditions are so poor.
Now if the starting pay was a reasonable $40k/year then Colgan would be able to attract the experienced pilots. And $40k is still low. We have just been conditioned to believe that we aren't worth anything more.
Now if the starting pay was a reasonable $40k/year then Colgan would be able to attract the experienced pilots. And $40k is still low. We have just been conditioned to believe that we aren't worth anything more.
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12-11-2009, 08:36 AM
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Why dont we all stop being shortsighted about thinking 1500 hrs is a magic bullet to get pay rates raised, and start paying attention to what was really said in the article. He wants to make sure the Quality of training is there along with the quantity, not just arbitrary numbers, I for one think this is good that he is standing ground on this issue, 1500 hrs before hire would not have prevented 3407. Period, better training oversight might have.
Are we not as guilty as the lobbies when this is a unions real reason for wanting 3371 to go through???
I am all for pay to rise, but it needs to be for the right reasons, not because of a knee jerk reaction that will do nothing to increase safety...He took this stand simply saying that we can not sacrifice quality of training simply because of a rise in quantity....
As usual I see pilots jumping to knee jerk conclusions without looking fully in depth...JMO
Are we not as guilty as the lobbies when this is a unions real reason for wanting 3371 to go through???
I am all for pay to rise, but it needs to be for the right reasons, not because of a knee jerk reaction that will do nothing to increase safety...He took this stand simply saying that we can not sacrifice quality of training simply because of a rise in quantity....
As usual I see pilots jumping to knee jerk conclusions without looking fully in depth...JMO
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