kizzle

Thanks much guys for the Intel. What engines did you guys use EMB120IP? John i should be able to PM now.

Regards

KIZ

kizzle

JetJock,

Could you give me a little mode detail on the flip cards used to set cruise power? I'd like to make some flip cards as well.
Did you guys have a flip card for each weight (e.g. every 2000 lbs) and then have altitudes and temps for those weights?
How many flip cards did you guys have?

Regards

KLC

kizzle

Hey guys, what about flap schedule during approaches?
What is the min speed for: Flaps up, 15, 25, 45?

What do you guys do flap wise for?
Precision
Non precision
Circle
Visual

Regards

KIZ

TonyWilliams

One of these guys will hopefully just send you the EMB SOP. All the profiles will be in there. Sorry, I only have one electronically for the CRJ.

One tid bit. A flap 45 landing is "captain only". I've never flown the plane, and really have no idea why the restriction at SkW.

kizzle

Well tony, i'm looking at the Embraer SOPs and it's saying that the flap maneuvering speeds are:
0 160 KIAS
15 140 KIAS
25 130 KIAS
45 120 KIAS

I'd just like to know if that's what most other companies are using or if not when do they extend flaps.

Additionally FSI and EMB has 2 completely different profiles for the various approaches so i'd like to know which profile other companies use.

Merry Christmas

KIZ

EMB120IP

We use the 118B's, and operate primarily out of Denver (high altitude ops). We climb up into the high 20's always (25 thru 28), so I don't know how the straight 118 works in that respect.

As for flap operating speeds, we use:
15 - 200 kts
25 - 150
45 - 130 (this is 5kt's slower than EMB states. We've found in some models, and the difference in all of the actuators, this speed reduces the amount of dissagreements you get when flap 45 is selected).

We don't have any specific speeds for flap retraction, except flaps 15 to 0 is done at V2 + 20. This reduces the sink rate you get when the flaps are retracted.

Flaps 45 isnt a big deal, just carry power to touchdown. Don't expect a smooth landing anytime, unless you're just plain lucky.

Flap settings on approach:
Precision: 25 or 45 (flap 15 on base leg/procedure turn inbd, Gear dn/condit. levers max/flaps 25 at 1 dot below GS, Flap 45 (if desired) shortly thereafter)

Non prec: straight in, flap 25 flown (flap 15 proced. turn, gear dn/condit levers max/flap 25 3 miles from FAF) Flap 45 (if desired) when field in sight and prior to descent below 500 feet.

Circle: FLap 25 only

Visual: 25 or 45, as long as you are configured and stable prior to 500 feet agl.

kizzle

Hey Guys,

What kind of power setting (Ball park TQ) do you most frequently see during a flaps 25 and Flaps 45 approach.

Oh John i should be able to PM now. I'm well above 25 posts.

Regards

KIZ

BHopper88

Actually Flap 45 ILS is "Captain only"*(unless with a check airmen), landing flap 45 is allowed by a FO if need be or for practice or comfort level of the captain...

kizzle

Can i assume then that it is better to use Flaps 25 during a crosswind landing?

At what height do you typically start the flare and finally whats the big deal with not allowing the SIC to perform Flaps 45 landings. As in is there some overriding concern that i'm missing?

Regards

Happy New Year to all!

KIZ

kizzle

One additional thing guys. The manual says that you set the pressurization to 300 ft below the destination airports elevation. It doesn't however state the procedure to be used if the approach will be flown with the bleeds off. What do you guys recommend we do re the pressurization setting for descent if we plan to accomplish a bleeds off landing?

Regards

KIZ