colinflyin

Applied 11/18 Have not heard anything. Have prior 121 and all the Minimums. No Internal Rec.

JayHub

Hmmmm. So, it appears that pilots are getting turned down or not getting a reply. I looked over the app and it asks you whether or not you are subject to recall. Its asks it in such a way that makes me believe that if you answer yes you won't get called.


So my question is, are they not taking guys who are furloughed? How many guys would give up their position to jump ship to awac. Considering that if they still have a position they've rode out a furlough at their current employer (and jumping to the bottom of another list just wouldn't make sense).

it just seems as though its a 'weeding out' question even though they say they prefer guys with 121 experience. They must know that 90% of every 121 guy is 'subject' to recall. The other 10% are folks whose companies are sadly no more.

Someone mentioned internal recs is the only way in. Probably. Is there anyone out there who actually has an interview?

Drums4life

I think it's all just dumb luck. I had an internal rec. and checked not subject to recall since I am not furloughed yet and have way more time than when they gave me an interview last time. However times have changed and even guys with thousands of hours of PIC are iffy for an interview. Good luck CFI's.

Purpleanga

They have people on furlough.....

Purpleanga

Even though I don't think the question is for weeding out people. It's a very valid question. You can dance around it when you're there but they know more than us that a high percentage of people don't stick around when their recall number is called. It's probably lower for 121 to 121 but you're going to look out for your interests. I had a horrible time finding another flying job because of this in the pt91 world because they automatically assume you might be recalled next month.

saab2000

It's a Catch-22. They want folks with high experience, which naturally assumes a long time at a 121 carrier. But if you've had a long time at a 121 carrier you are subject to recall and probably have a few people behind you as well.

I suspect the best candidates are going to be folks who have a year or less at their respective 121 carriers and for whom there is no huge incentive to go back, like third or fourth year pay. Or whose airline may never be as large as it was (Mesa).

And they have not always had a high amount of success with folks who had 10 years of experience and tons of time at a previous carrier.

Based on what I have seen in the past they will want qualified folks who are prepared to learn and spend at least a couple of years with AWAC. They don't need folks who will come in with the intent of 'rocking the boat', creating a tough time for the training department, bad attitudes, etc.

There are currently 22 pilots on furlough with AWAC seniority numbers. How many of them accept a recall is unknown. But it probably won't be all of them. If the flying swings upwards for the summer of 2010 like it has in previous years, those 22 will not be enough to cover the flying. We'll have to run a class or two and do some upgrades, probably all of those who had been downgraded and maybe even a few more.

Attrition is very slow, but not absolutely stopped. There have been some resignations over the past 18 months of stagnation and I have moved up about 20 spots on the seniority list in spite of the horrible job conditions.

There are worse places to work than AWAC. Probably better ones too. But if you live near one of the domiciles it might not be a bad place for you, at least if you keep in mind that that could change....

BoilerUP

There's also not a hell of a lot of work in the Part 91 world right now...and thousands of unemployed, highly experienced corporate pilots looking for work.

supersix-4

I applied, checked off the furloughed box. Got the Thanks but no thanks letter..LOL.

wrxpilot

I applied, more out of curiosity than anything else... Got the "No thanks" email this morning. I've got my ATP/CFI/CFII, about 1800 hrs, 1100 PIC, 700 turbine, 800 multi and 135 turbine experience. Figured I was at least qualified as an entry level regional f/o, I guess not!

flyguy37

Got the no thanks letter. I am a furloughed frac pilot 5000 hours atp cfii,ii,mei typed in CRJ and 3 business jets. I couldnt have afforded to take the job anyway. Unemployment pays a little more. I guess they are not interested in furloughed pilots.