XJT undercut AWAC?
11-17-2009, 06:43 AM
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you lot are unbelievable....
As I understand it. XJT has a bunch of aircraft sitting around doing nothing. Aircraft that are costing them money. So of course they would be cheaper than AWAC; all XJT has to do is charge UAL costs +1% and they have gone from making a loss on those aircraft to making a profit.
AWAC has to find aircraft, pay for any MX that would be required to put them into sevice and then cover the 3 Amigo's profit margin! It doesn't take a freaking genius to work out we (AWAC) would cost more!
I'm glad that XJT got the flying. The idea that they undercut anybody, much less AWAC is laughable.
As I understand it. XJT has a bunch of aircraft sitting around doing nothing. Aircraft that are costing them money. So of course they would be cheaper than AWAC; all XJT has to do is charge UAL costs +1% and they have gone from making a loss on those aircraft to making a profit.
AWAC has to find aircraft, pay for any MX that would be required to put them into sevice and then cover the 3 Amigo's profit margin! It doesn't take a freaking genius to work out we (AWAC) would cost more!
I'm glad that XJT got the flying. The idea that they undercut anybody, much less AWAC is laughable.
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11-17-2009, 07:20 AM
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Get your facts straight before you spread more rumors. CHQ has in no way undercut XJT. I make the EXACT same amount of money as a CA at CHQ as I would at XJT. I have great benefits including good insurance and the best travel benefits of any airline in the system. My QOL as a JUNIOR CA commuting is not nearly as bad as I've heard from others at similar regionals. Let's not forget something VERY important. CHQ has put out better numbers (completion and on-time) than XJT every quarter since beginning the Continental Express flying. I have had NO maintenance cancellations and can only recall one delay of 15 minutes in over a year. There is no junior manning and we even get Christmas bonuses. Stop the hating!
It's funny I used to see CHQ guys in IAH calling ops for there out times while they were still boarding...
CHQ undercut people? No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just go ahead and ask the Midwest guys..............
11-17-2009, 08:18 AM
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11-17-2009, 08:37 AM
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CHQ has put out better numbers (completion and on-time) than XJT every quarter since beginning the Continental Express flying. I have had NO maintenance cancellations and can only recall one delay of 15 minutes in over a year. There is no junior manning and we even get Christmas bonuses. Stop the hating!
How many departures a day does CHQ do vs. XJT out of IAH?
There have been multiple months where CHQ had more MX cancellations than XJT has, and thats with CHQ smaller fleet size.
Those are just facts, sorry.
As far as the AWAC guys go. We all know that you can't believe everything you hear/read, and that anything is possible. I wouldn't count yourselves out of a piece of this RFP award quite yet.
11-17-2009, 08:57 AM
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-Mainline 737 flying in EWR decreases
-XJT flying decreases
-Colgan gets more Q400s (74 seat aircraft) out of EWR
Not throwing stones at Colgan, but why is this guy mad at XJT and not Colgan?
He used to fly for Colgan and makes biased comments based on emotion rather than facts.
11-17-2009, 09:19 AM
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I never said I made more, just the same. I agree 100% that the IAH CRJ operation is nothing to write home about, but CRJ's were the only crappy plane available at the time to fly for CoEx. The operation is by no way "laughing stock!" It seems nearly every time I'm in CLE the gate, ramp, and supervisor's prefer our operation to XJT. I even got to go to the fancy C terminal and the ramper immediately commented how much easier and faster it was to work our flights. It is a FACT and has been since we started flying for Continental that our number's beat any CoEx carrier, sometimes by 5 to 10 percentage points. My post if factual. Yours is out of complete jealousy and ignorance.
We were scheduled out last the other morning, but left before the earlier CAL or CHQ departure. We were rotating on 10R as CHQ started their push. All this being said, I am not so much into comparing my size to yours. However, as DOJET correctly indicated, we get a month by month update of performance metrics for all COEX carriers. Typically, you will see less MX or Flt ops delay/cancellations than XJT (not always, but typically); however if you look at the pure volume of flights that XJT operates on behalf of CAL, the percentages are very clear that XJT has superior performance metrics. When you factor in that we operate in and out of EWR and some of our Flt ops issues are caused by flt time/duty time issues associated with major EWR delays, that just indicates that numbers are actually a little better than indicated. We, here at XJT, take a lot of pride in our ability to maintain this performance. Rest assured, atleast this time, the pilots of XJT did not take a concession to win UAL flying. Hell, we had to take a concession just to try and hold onto what we had last year. A pathetic indication of where our industry has been allowed to go.
Regardless of all of this, I still say that the guys who are flying those Midwest planes make me sad. Karma is hell and will certainly probably show up on their doorstep someday. Watch the ALPA video about the final Midwest flight just to get a sip of the lives that were impacted by what has happened there. Shortsighted and naive is the best description I can think up for those pilots that now fly the "pretend" Midwest Airlines.
11-17-2009, 10:00 AM
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Well, individuals are entitled to their own opinions. We haven't lost that in America just yet; so there may be some agents that feel the way you say. However, if this is true, they are saying the same thing to us. All I ever hear when I go to a station where CHQ operates is how much the crew wishes XJT served it exclusively. Especially in CMH. They really hate CHQ there for some reason. What's my point? What people say doesn't mean crap. They talk out of both sides of their mouth, and when it is all said and done, we are both contractors to momma CAL, PERIOD!
We were scheduled out last the other morning, but left before the earlier CAL or CHQ departure. We were rotating on 10R as CHQ started their push. All this being said, I am not so much into comparing my size to yours. However, as DOJET correctly indicated, we get a month by month update of performance metrics for all COEX carriers. Typically, you will see less MX or Flt ops delay/cancellations than XJT (not always, but typically); however if you look at the pure volume of flights that XJT operates on behalf of CAL, the percentages are very clear that XJT has superior performance metrics. When you factor in that we operate in and out of EWR and some of our Flt ops issues are caused by flt time/duty time issues associated with major EWR delays, that just indicates that numbers are actually a little better than indicated. We, here at XJT, take a lot of pride in our ability to maintain this performance. Rest assured, atleast this time, the pilots of XJT did not take a concession to win UAL flying. Hell, we had to take a concession just to try and hold onto what we had last year. A pathetic indication of where our industry has been allowed to go.
Regardless of all of this, I still say that the guys who are flying those Midwest planes make me sad. Karma is hell and will certainly probably show up on their doorstep someday. Watch the ALPA video about the final Midwest flight just to get a sip of the lives that were impacted by what has happened there. Shortsighted and naive is the best description I can think up for those pilots that now fly the "pretend" Midwest Airlines.
We were scheduled out last the other morning, but left before the earlier CAL or CHQ departure. We were rotating on 10R as CHQ started their push. All this being said, I am not so much into comparing my size to yours. However, as DOJET correctly indicated, we get a month by month update of performance metrics for all COEX carriers. Typically, you will see less MX or Flt ops delay/cancellations than XJT (not always, but typically); however if you look at the pure volume of flights that XJT operates on behalf of CAL, the percentages are very clear that XJT has superior performance metrics. When you factor in that we operate in and out of EWR and some of our Flt ops issues are caused by flt time/duty time issues associated with major EWR delays, that just indicates that numbers are actually a little better than indicated. We, here at XJT, take a lot of pride in our ability to maintain this performance. Rest assured, atleast this time, the pilots of XJT did not take a concession to win UAL flying. Hell, we had to take a concession just to try and hold onto what we had last year. A pathetic indication of where our industry has been allowed to go.
Regardless of all of this, I still say that the guys who are flying those Midwest planes make me sad. Karma is hell and will certainly probably show up on their doorstep someday. Watch the ALPA video about the final Midwest flight just to get a sip of the lives that were impacted by what has happened there. Shortsighted and naive is the best description I can think up for those pilots that now fly the "pretend" Midwest Airlines.
I have seen the Midwest video and it is sad for sure. I hope and pray for the best for all the crews and employees and Midex. I hope we can get them on property ASAP! They did nothing wrong, yet management has sold them out after all they gave to make Midwest such a great company.
Just like you said, what people say doesn't mean crap. I am seeing DOT numbers that indicate that we beat XJT in performance system wide, yet you see completely different numbers from your company. I guess we'll just have to call it even. I think the reliability at XJT is great compared with most regionals, but CHQ is also very, very good. Again, I have had NO cancellations caused by MX since operating the CoEx flights, nor do I hardly ever here about one (except for the damn CRJ's)! I think Continental prides themselves on having good regional partners and is willing to pay a bit more to achieve this. I have had nothing but positive feedback from Continental since we started flying in Cleveland.
11-17-2009, 10:20 AM
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If you figure of the 347, 275 will eventually accept recall (wild ass guess).
If the UAL recall brings back 100 (optimistic), that means after this deal there will still be ~ 175 who will eventually accept recall.
After the initial recall they probably wont recall any more in 2010, since 10 UAL planes leave in October.
So starting in Spring 2011, xjet needs to start recalling to handle attrition, we're down to just 6 months worth of recalls, and everyone is back by fall 2011. Without the UAL flying recalls would have been over 9 months worth of classes, and would have had to extend to Spring 2012.
At least that's my completely-unsubstantiated-wild-ass-guess of how the next few years will play out.
If the UAL recall brings back 100 (optimistic), that means after this deal there will still be ~ 175 who will eventually accept recall.
After the initial recall they probably wont recall any more in 2010, since 10 UAL planes leave in October.
So starting in Spring 2011, xjet needs to start recalling to handle attrition, we're down to just 6 months worth of recalls, and everyone is back by fall 2011. Without the UAL flying recalls would have been over 9 months worth of classes, and would have had to extend to Spring 2012.
At least that's my completely-unsubstantiated-wild-ass-guess of how the next few years will play out.
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