XJT undercut AWAC?
11-16-2009, 01:48 PM
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Which is why I think AWAC is done in 2015... The owners live in a time where majors cannot pay the profit margin they demand.
They are smart guys they can invest in other things and put the CRJ's to pasture.
11-16-2009, 02:05 PM
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I dont know why people even care who gets United flying anyway I predict UNITED will file Chapters 11 in about 18 months anyway, United is Bleeding right now and the inevitable will come anyway..
11-16-2009, 03:23 PM
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XJT the company might have undercut AWAC the company...but let's not confuse a management decision with a pilot group decision.
Then again, looking back at the multitude of closed anti-RAH threads, its clear to me that many on this board can't differentiate between the two...
Then again, looking back at the multitude of closed anti-RAH threads, its clear to me that many on this board can't differentiate between the two...
11-16-2009, 04:29 PM
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So, Hold on..... Is it to the point that regionals are now paying mjors to fly for them? (I.E. the shares of stock to United). If so that is close to the BS that Republic pulled with the MidWest BS.
11-16-2009, 04:55 PM
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No offense but nothing in this statement is correct. Paying majors vs loaning money with interest is two different things. For the rest of the inaccuracies there's a lot of reading you can do on this forum.
11-16-2009, 06:39 PM
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None taken. I don't sit at home and read the forums, just pop in from time to time. Now, I do believe what RAH mgmt did to MidWest's majors death is BS actually just sad. BTW, do you guys know the interest rate for the loan?
11-16-2009, 06:55 PM
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To the OP, come on man, are you kidding? I"m a whisky pilot and I'm VERY, VERY happy this went to Xjet. I don't care what the terms are, I'm happy it went to a carrier with a stand up contract. Now, that's not to say I wouldn't want that flying in house, you have no idea how old it gets to fly with someone who is *****in the whole time about their commute. I feel bad, and I would have LOVE to seen this come to AWAC. But there is no chance in HELL anyone would take a pay cut to get this flying. Yes the company came to us and asked for it, but there is no chance that'd ever happen. End of story. Let's all just be happy the cards fell they way they did.
11-16-2009, 07:20 PM
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DMEARC answered his own question with his second post. It didnt matter who got the flying as long as it was a company that pays its pilots a liveable wage and treats them with a modicum of respect. Colgan, Mesa, Great Lakes, ... if they gain flying it is a bad thing for this profession because their pilots are barely scraping by. AWAC, Skywest, Horizon, XJT, Eagle.... you can at least make a living and have a comfortable QOL. I feel bad for the Mesa folks but their management is scum just like at colgan, great lakes, etc... They dont respect their employees one bit.
I always find it amusing when a pilot for one of these undercutters is trying to turn the situation around and justify their choice in working for a bad company. A lot of them will never know what a good airline is or what it means to have a good contract. They keep wondering why everyone hates their company and cant understand that other pilots flying SMALLER or same size aircraft are getting paid more, getting a decent retirement account, are home more, have better travel benefits, have better medical benefits, have better vacation policies, have better sick call policies,... the list goes on and on. Its day and night between what an XJT/AWAC/Skywest is and what a colgan/mesa is.
It really isnt that hard to understand but many just want to keep trying to make it seem ok and hopefully they will move on to a major soon enough. What happens when they get to a major and realize they got screwed by their previous regional? they get ****ed at the whole regional system (a la dmearc).
I didnt really have a problem with CHQ coming down to Houston until they did such a horrible job in the beginning. Their aircraft came from the desert (partly XJT's fault), they didnt have ACARS, they were weight restricted 80% of the time they were anywhere near full, and i think a very select few of their very, vocal FO's are flamebaiters... other then that i really didnt have a problem with them. Now i have a problem with the 99 seat FO pay but thats another story.
DMEARc got burned by the same system that could have had him as a 2 yr FO at a major by 26... it was a gamble and he is ****ed. I dont really blame him but i wouldn't be in his shoes. Furloughs happen, scope is gone for a very long time, and regionals exist... those are givens in this industry and they have been for 10 yrs. I think he is a hypocrite for being so anti-regionals after working at Colgan of all places but we have discussed this in another thread.
I will never understand the Colgan people. It is a job but little else. Some still refuse to see the differences between places like AWAC, XJT, Skywest, Eagle and the places they work. Do you guys really think that Colgan is just like XJT or AWAC with a different name? If you do then you are in for a rude awakening.
I always find it amusing when a pilot for one of these undercutters is trying to turn the situation around and justify their choice in working for a bad company. A lot of them will never know what a good airline is or what it means to have a good contract. They keep wondering why everyone hates their company and cant understand that other pilots flying SMALLER or same size aircraft are getting paid more, getting a decent retirement account, are home more, have better travel benefits, have better medical benefits, have better vacation policies, have better sick call policies,... the list goes on and on. Its day and night between what an XJT/AWAC/Skywest is and what a colgan/mesa is.
It really isnt that hard to understand but many just want to keep trying to make it seem ok and hopefully they will move on to a major soon enough. What happens when they get to a major and realize they got screwed by their previous regional? they get ****ed at the whole regional system (a la dmearc).
I didnt really have a problem with CHQ coming down to Houston until they did such a horrible job in the beginning. Their aircraft came from the desert (partly XJT's fault), they didnt have ACARS, they were weight restricted 80% of the time they were anywhere near full, and i think a very select few of their very, vocal FO's are flamebaiters... other then that i really didnt have a problem with them. Now i have a problem with the 99 seat FO pay but thats another story.
DMEARc got burned by the same system that could have had him as a 2 yr FO at a major by 26... it was a gamble and he is ****ed. I dont really blame him but i wouldn't be in his shoes. Furloughs happen, scope is gone for a very long time, and regionals exist... those are givens in this industry and they have been for 10 yrs. I think he is a hypocrite for being so anti-regionals after working at Colgan of all places but we have discussed this in another thread.
I will never understand the Colgan people. It is a job but little else. Some still refuse to see the differences between places like AWAC, XJT, Skywest, Eagle and the places they work. Do you guys really think that Colgan is just like XJT or AWAC with a different name? If you do then you are in for a rude awakening.
11-16-2009, 07:26 PM
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To the OP, come on man, are you kidding? I"m a whisky pilot and I'm VERY, VERY happy this went to Xjet. I don't care what the terms are, I'm happy it went to a carrier with a stand up contract. Now, that's not to say I wouldn't want that flying in house, you have no idea how old it gets to fly with someone who is *****in the whole time about their commute. I feel bad, and I would have LOVE to seen this come to AWAC. But there is no chance in HELL anyone would take a pay cut to get this flying. Yes the company came to us and asked for it, but there is no chance that'd ever happen. End of story. Let's all just be happy the cards fell they way they did.
I agree 100%. If JO had weaseled his way into a new contract with United it would have been a bad day for this profession. I feel bad for the Mesa pilots but i feel nothing for their management.
11-16-2009, 07:32 PM
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DMEARC answered his own question with his second post. It didnt matter who got the flying as long as it was a company that pays its pilots a liveable wage and treats them with a modicum of respect. Colgan, Mesa, Great Lakes, ... if they gain flying it is a bad thing for this profession because their pilots are barely scraping by. AWAC, Skywest, Horizon, XJT, Eagle.... you can at least make a living and have a comfortable QOL. I feel bad for the Mesa folks but their management is scum just like at colgan, great lakes, etc... They dont respect their employees one bit.
I always find it amusing when a pilot for one of these undercutters is trying to turn the situation around and justify their choice in working for a bad company. A lot of them will never know what a good airline is or what it means to have a good contract. They keep wondering why everyone hates their company and cant understand that other pilots flying SMALLER or same size aircraft are getting paid more, getting a decent retirement account, are home more, have better travel benefits, have better medical benefits, have better vacation policies, have better sick call policies,... the list goes on and on. Its day and night between what an XJT/AWAC/Skywest is and what a colgan/mesa is.
It really isnt that hard to understand but many just want to keep trying to make it seem ok and hopefully they will move on to a major soon enough. What happens when they get to a major and realize they got screwed by their previous regional? they get ****ed at the whole regional system (a la dmearc).
I didnt really have a problem with CHQ coming down to Houston until they did such a horrible job in the beginning. Their aircraft came from the desert (partly XJT's fault), they didnt have ACARS, they were weight restricted 80% of the time they were anywhere near full, and i think a very select few of their very, vocal FO's are flamebaiters... other then that i really didnt have a problem with them. Now i have a problem with the 99 seat FO pay but thats another story.
DMEARc got burned by the same system that could have had him as a 2 yr FO at a major by 26... it was a gamble and he is ****ed. I dont really blame him but i wouldn't be in his shoes. Furloughs happen, scope is gone for a very long time, and regionals exist... those are givens in this industry and they have been for 10 yrs. I think he is a hypocrite for being so anti-regionals after working at Colgan of all places but we have discussed this in another thread.
I will never understand the Colgan people. It is a job but little else. Some still refuse to see the differences between places like AWAC, XJT, Skywest, Eagle and the places they work. Do you guys really think that Colgan is just like XJT or AWAC with a different name? If you do then you are in for a rude awakening.
I always find it amusing when a pilot for one of these undercutters is trying to turn the situation around and justify their choice in working for a bad company. A lot of them will never know what a good airline is or what it means to have a good contract. They keep wondering why everyone hates their company and cant understand that other pilots flying SMALLER or same size aircraft are getting paid more, getting a decent retirement account, are home more, have better travel benefits, have better medical benefits, have better vacation policies, have better sick call policies,... the list goes on and on. Its day and night between what an XJT/AWAC/Skywest is and what a colgan/mesa is.
It really isnt that hard to understand but many just want to keep trying to make it seem ok and hopefully they will move on to a major soon enough. What happens when they get to a major and realize they got screwed by their previous regional? they get ****ed at the whole regional system (a la dmearc).
I didnt really have a problem with CHQ coming down to Houston until they did such a horrible job in the beginning. Their aircraft came from the desert (partly XJT's fault), they didnt have ACARS, they were weight restricted 80% of the time they were anywhere near full, and i think a very select few of their very, vocal FO's are flamebaiters... other then that i really didnt have a problem with them. Now i have a problem with the 99 seat FO pay but thats another story.
DMEARc got burned by the same system that could have had him as a 2 yr FO at a major by 26... it was a gamble and he is ****ed. I dont really blame him but i wouldn't be in his shoes. Furloughs happen, scope is gone for a very long time, and regionals exist... those are givens in this industry and they have been for 10 yrs. I think he is a hypocrite for being so anti-regionals after working at Colgan of all places but we have discussed this in another thread.
I will never understand the Colgan people. It is a job but little else. Some still refuse to see the differences between places like AWAC, XJT, Skywest, Eagle and the places they work. Do you guys really think that Colgan is just like XJT or AWAC with a different name? If you do then you are in for a rude awakening.
I don't justify the way Colgan treats their people. I do, however, stick up for my fellow pilots at Colgan when they get bashed by people like you and Clocks.
Many many many people are happy at Colgan with their 18 days off and 100 hours of pay and 4 weeks vacation, company paid life insurance, etc. Some people aren't. And there are some SERIOUS room for improvements.
Good-night.
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