Even more qualified pilots on the street...
11-05-2009, 11:23 AM
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Even more qualified pilots on the street...
500 more qualified pilots are soon to be furloughed from NetJets. There has to be somewhere around 5000 pilots collectively on the street that all have thousands of hours of experience. I dont care what anyone says about a pilot shortage.... no one is going anywhere soon. Get comfy where you are and if you are flight instructing or building piston time this is the time to re-evaluate your career.
11-05-2009, 11:29 AM
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Furloughs Vs. Retirements
First let me start with the Furloughs
Alaska - 60
American - 1979
CAL - 400
UAL - 874
USair - 227
Air Cargo Carriers - 1
ABX - 254
AirNEt Cargo - 40
Arrow Cargo - 30
Atlas Cargo - 62
Centurion Cargo - 5
Empire Cargo - 4
Kalitta - 130
Key Lime -4
Omni - 40
Ryan Air - 36
Southern Air - 71
Tradewinds - 92
World - 34
Xtra - 15
Amr Eagle - 71
ASA - 136
Air wisky - 22
Comair - 298
Express Jet - 335
Frontier - 56
Gulfstream - 50
Horizon - 84
Island Air - 10
Mesa - 136
Mesaba - 39
Midwest - 270
Penair - 15
PSA - 55
RAH - 104
Spirit - 78
Sun Country 36
Trans States - 158
USA 3000 - 11
NetJets - 500
Total = 6762
Alaska - 60
American - 1979
CAL - 400
UAL - 874
USair - 227
Air Cargo Carriers - 1
ABX - 254
AirNEt Cargo - 40
Arrow Cargo - 30
Atlas Cargo - 62
Centurion Cargo - 5
Empire Cargo - 4
Kalitta - 130
Key Lime -4
Omni - 40
Ryan Air - 36
Southern Air - 71
Tradewinds - 92
World - 34
Xtra - 15
Amr Eagle - 71
ASA - 136
Air wisky - 22
Comair - 298
Express Jet - 335
Frontier - 56
Gulfstream - 50
Horizon - 84
Island Air - 10
Mesa - 136
Mesaba - 39
Midwest - 270
Penair - 15
PSA - 55
RAH - 104
Spirit - 78
Sun Country 36
Trans States - 158
USA 3000 - 11
NetJets - 500
Total = 6762
11-05-2009, 11:33 AM
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Total number of retirements from DAL, CAL, UAL, & AMR by year....
These numbers DO NOT INCLUDE UsAir, FedEx, UPS, Alaska, Southwest, etc.....
2009- 6
2010- 13
2011- 15
2012- 299
2013- 695
2014- 892
2015- 939
2016- 964
2017- 1110
2018- 1258
2019- 1449
2020- 1653
2021- 1957
2022- 2016
2023- 2108
2024- 2047
2025- 2081
2026- 2011
2027- 1780
2028- 1767
2029- 1654
2030- 1240
2031- 975
Total = 28929
These numbers DO NOT INCLUDE UsAir, FedEx, UPS, Alaska, Southwest, etc.....
2009- 6
2010- 13
2011- 15
2012- 299
2013- 695
2014- 892
2015- 939
2016- 964
2017- 1110
2018- 1258
2019- 1449
2020- 1653
2021- 1957
2022- 2016
2023- 2108
2024- 2047
2025- 2081
2026- 2011
2027- 1780
2028- 1767
2029- 1654
2030- 1240
2031- 975
Total = 28929
11-05-2009, 11:35 AM
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My Point Is This....
Be patient....No one can stop Age 65.
This does not include about 6-7 other large major carriers, which is thousands upon thousands of more pilots not added to my list for retirement. If i had to guess I would say double the numbers listed for retirement.
If anybody has the retirement numbers for other large major carriers, Ill be happy to add them and run the numbers.
This does not include about 6-7 other large major carriers, which is thousands upon thousands of more pilots not added to my list for retirement. If i had to guess I would say double the numbers listed for retirement.
If anybody has the retirement numbers for other large major carriers, Ill be happy to add them and run the numbers.
11-05-2009, 11:39 AM
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Be patient....No one can stop Age 65.
This does not include about 6-7 other large major carriers, which is thousands upon thousands of more pilots not added to my list for retirement. If i had to guess I would say double the numbers listed for retirement.
If anybody has the retirement numbers for other large major carriers, Ill be happy to add them and run the numbers.
This does not include about 6-7 other large major carriers, which is thousands upon thousands of more pilots not added to my list for retirement. If i had to guess I would say double the numbers listed for retirement.
If anybody has the retirement numbers for other large major carriers, Ill be happy to add them and run the numbers.
11-05-2009, 11:45 AM
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11-05-2009, 11:47 AM
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Retirement Numbers Origin.
11-05-2009, 11:56 AM
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Total number of retirements from DAL, CAL, UAL, & AMR by year....
These numbers DO NOT INCLUDE UsAir, FedEx, UPS, Alaska, Southwest, etc.....
2009- 6
2010- 13
2011- 15
2012- 299
2013- 695
2014- 892
2015- 939
2016- 964
2017- 1110
2018- 1258
2019- 1449
2020- 1653
2021- 1957
2022- 2016
2023- 2108
2024- 2047
2025- 2081
2026- 2011
2027- 1780
2028- 1767
2029- 1654
2030- 1240
2031- 975
Total = 28929
These numbers DO NOT INCLUDE UsAir, FedEx, UPS, Alaska, Southwest, etc.....
2009- 6
2010- 13
2011- 15
2012- 299
2013- 695
2014- 892
2015- 939
2016- 964
2017- 1110
2018- 1258
2019- 1449
2020- 1653
2021- 1957
2022- 2016
2023- 2108
2024- 2047
2025- 2081
2026- 2011
2027- 1780
2028- 1767
2029- 1654
2030- 1240
2031- 975
Total = 28929
If you double the numbers, then we're still sometime in 2014. It is my opinion, nothing more, that a handful of carriers still have yet to go out of business or severely downsize in the next few years. They have to. The only way to raise prices across the board is to drop supply. Raising prices is the only way to regain some professional dignity in this profession.
I think the original poster's advice is sound, no material movement is going to happen for at least 3-4 years. This is what we've all been saying for over a year now anyway.
11-05-2009, 11:57 AM
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The combined delta/nwa seniority list will lose more than 600 pilots in 2012 when they turn 65, and it goes up exponetially from there. And thats from a guy in the top 20 that flies the 400 in dtw. like others said hang in there, dont give up. The movement may not come as fast as we want, but it is coming.
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