Even more qualified pilots on the street...
11-06-2009, 01:29 PM
#71
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Lollllllll, some people have no faith in Americans and the force we possess.
Even our fellow citizens seek to destroy us sometimes, but i know that we are a great people and that we WILL pull ourselves outta this rut that we are in.
11-06-2009, 01:35 PM
#72
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Every year something like 8500 to 10,000 new commercial pilots are minted in the US. The military is also collectively producing something like 1500 new pilots per year. There is already a massive backlog of pilots who have been waiting to get recalled since 9-11. The human mass of experienced pilots is backing up big time.
It might be true that eventually retirements could reach 2000 per year but even at its height it is still woefully short of how many pilots that are building up daily awaiting a good job.
When hiring does resume someone is going to get hired but it does not really mean that anyone can count on it being them. It will be a drag out fist fight where seasoned regional captains have to stand in line behind space shuttle captains, the chief pilots son and blue angles.
2000 new hires per year after nearly two decades of waiting is not much at all. The bottom line is that it is still a long shot.
Skyhigh
It might be true that eventually retirements could reach 2000 per year but even at its height it is still woefully short of how many pilots that are building up daily awaiting a good job.
When hiring does resume someone is going to get hired but it does not really mean that anyone can count on it being them. It will be a drag out fist fight where seasoned regional captains have to stand in line behind space shuttle captains, the chief pilots son and blue angles.
2000 new hires per year after nearly two decades of waiting is not much at all. The bottom line is that it is still a long shot.
Skyhigh
Did you read that those numbers ONLY INCLUDE 4 MAJOR CARRIERS???
Your argument is based off of incomplete information, retirements will reach 4000 a year at the very least. Just because this industry was ugly to you and now you are happy outside of it, does not mean that things will never turn around.
You guys are unbelievable, many of you believe this industry will be in the toilet for another 10 years. That is such an irrational argument it almost sounds like comedy. THIS STUFF IS CYCLICAL, EVEN A CHILD UNDERSTANDS THE CONCEPT OF NIGHT AND DAY.
11-06-2009, 02:53 PM
#73
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Things change
Eventually reach 2000 pilots a year???
Did you read that those numbers ONLY INCLUDE 4 MAJOR CARRIERS???
Your argument is based off of incomplete information, retirements will reach 4000 a year at the very least. Just because this industry was ugly to you and now you are happy outside of it, does not mean that things will never turn around.
You guys are unbelievable, many of you believe this industry will be in the toilet for another 10 years. That is such an irrational argument it almost sounds like comedy. THIS STUFF IS CYCLICAL, EVEN A CHILD UNDERSTANDS THE CONCEPT OF NIGHT AND DAY.
Did you read that those numbers ONLY INCLUDE 4 MAJOR CARRIERS???
Your argument is based off of incomplete information, retirements will reach 4000 a year at the very least. Just because this industry was ugly to you and now you are happy outside of it, does not mean that things will never turn around.
You guys are unbelievable, many of you believe this industry will be in the toilet for another 10 years. That is such an irrational argument it almost sounds like comedy. THIS STUFF IS CYCLICAL, EVEN A CHILD UNDERSTANDS THE CONCEPT OF NIGHT AND DAY.
First of all things change. You are counting your chickens before they are hatched. The classic legacy airline is under threat. Air travel has seen its heyday. Whos to say that most of those companies will even be around 10 to 20 years from now?
The industry could turn itself over several times before then and regionals could be flying 757's at CRJ wages. The bottom line is how those numbers directly effect you.
It is possible that a few thousand pilots per year could get hired but will it be any of us that gets those jobs? Who is to say that future growth will be in the legacies? Over the last decade LLC's and regionals are taking over. The legacies have been in full retreat. Free skies will begin to effect the future by then. Whose to say that a contracted pilot from India will not get the job? Will the jobs even be worth having by then?
I have seen most of my generation passed over in favor of younger people who are more flexible and can work for less. Who is to say that you will not be the next generation to get passed over? A lot needs to be considered before trying to project into the future. Optimism is one thing but this is aviation. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Skyhigh
11-06-2009, 03:26 PM
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First of all things change. You are counting your chickens before they are hatched. The classic legacy airline is under threat. Air travel has seen its heyday. Whos to say that most of those companies will even be around 10 to 20 years from now?
The industry could turn itself over several times before then and regionals could be flying 757's at CRJ wages. The bottom line is how those numbers directly effect you.
It is possible that a few thousand pilots per year could get hired but will it be any of us that gets those jobs? Who is to say that future growth will be in the legacies? Over the last decade LLC's and regionals are taking over. The legacies have been in full retreat. Free skies will begin to effect the future by then. Whose to say that a contracted pilot from India will not get the job? Will the jobs even be worth having by then?
I have seen most of my generation passed over in favor of younger people who are more flexible and can work for less. Who is to say that you will not be the next generation to get passed over? A lot needs to be considered before trying to project into the future. Optimism is one thing but this is aviation. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Skyhigh
The industry could turn itself over several times before then and regionals could be flying 757's at CRJ wages. The bottom line is how those numbers directly effect you.
It is possible that a few thousand pilots per year could get hired but will it be any of us that gets those jobs? Who is to say that future growth will be in the legacies? Over the last decade LLC's and regionals are taking over. The legacies have been in full retreat. Free skies will begin to effect the future by then. Whose to say that a contracted pilot from India will not get the job? Will the jobs even be worth having by then?
I have seen most of my generation passed over in favor of younger people who are more flexible and can work for less. Who is to say that you will not be the next generation to get passed over? A lot needs to be considered before trying to project into the future. Optimism is one thing but this is aviation. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Skyhigh
There is no stopping age 65, all these other wild theories and changes may happen, but fact is (and I stress the word fact) an entire generation is getting ready to retire.
11-06-2009, 04:38 PM
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If this is going to have any meaning than we need to consider not just the pilots on furlough, but all commercial pilots who are qualified to fly 121 (actually competitive, not 200 hours and a wet commercial). In addition to the furloughs we need to include all of the part 91 and 135 guys who've lost jobs and all of the guys from
ATA
Skyway
Aloha
and all of the other operators that have shut down in the past year.
All of a sudden the number of pilots on the street starts looking pretty big.
But then again...I'm just a doom and gloom, I-Pod listening, backpack wearing, spikey haired, RAH scumbag...so what do I know (actually the only true parts are that I work for RAH and own an IPOD...but I figured I'd save you the time of having to type out your rebuttal XJTR.)
ATA
Skyway
Aloha
and all of the other operators that have shut down in the past year.
All of a sudden the number of pilots on the street starts looking pretty big.
But then again...I'm just a doom and gloom, I-Pod listening, backpack wearing, spikey haired, RAH scumbag...so what do I know (actually the only true parts are that I work for RAH and own an IPOD...but I figured I'd save you the time of having to type out your rebuttal XJTR.)
11-06-2009, 04:56 PM
#78
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Wow. This is sad. What a waste. I'm sure at least half of these "qualified jobs" would be saved if RAH pilots were allowed to fly these planes for $23 an hour. Netjets FO pay rates of $60+ an hour was clearly excessive. I mean, for 5 seater jets?? We fly 100 seaters for much less!! What a wasted opportunity..
To entertain your pointlessness....what does the number of seats have to do with anything? Not every operation's revenue is dependent on the number of seats. What about freighters? What about a GVI captain? Do you think that a Beech 1900 captain should make more just because there are more seats?
What about the thing called the market? You have much to learn about the industry.Forget your sense of entitlement. The ONLY reason that you fly 100 seaters for "much less" is because you either accepted the job or your union voted to be paid "much less". It is nobody's fault but yours and/or your union. Stop trying to lower the bar by bringing others down and bring yourself up. That is the cold truth sonny.
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11-06-2009, 06:03 PM
#79
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N7
If this is going to have any meaning than we need to consider not just the pilots on furlough, but all commercial pilots who are qualified to fly 121 (actually competitive, not 200 hours and a wet commercial). In addition to the furloughs we need to include all of the part 91 and 135 guys who've lost jobs and all of the guys from
ATA
Skyway
Aloha
and all of the other operators that have shut down in the past year.
All of a sudden the number of pilots on the street starts looking pretty big.
But then again...I'm just a doom and gloom, I-Pod listening, backpack wearing, spikey haired, RAH scumbag...so what do I know (actually the only true parts are that I work for RAH and own an IPOD...but I figured I'd save you the time of having to type out your rebuttal XJTR.)
ATA
Skyway
Aloha
and all of the other operators that have shut down in the past year.
All of a sudden the number of pilots on the street starts looking pretty big.
But then again...I'm just a doom and gloom, I-Pod listening, backpack wearing, spikey haired, RAH scumbag...so what do I know (actually the only true parts are that I work for RAH and own an IPOD...but I figured I'd save you the time of having to type out your rebuttal XJTR.)
Skyhigh
11-06-2009, 06:07 PM
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if you think you will become "well educated" from watching the news then you are probably too dumb to think for yourself or develop a truly educated opinion. The news media is so politically corrupted and biased that you have to take everything said with a grain of salt.
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