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Old 10-29-2009, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
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This just proves false, that not picking up OT will bring the furloughs back. pilots pick up OT regardless who's on furlough and finally MANAGEMENT decides to recall. Thanks for the money I EARNED on OT, I have money to blow on shoes and beer! Begging for money is alot easier these days than to actually go out and earn it!
"and [finally] MANAGEMENT decides to recall". that's the key.

Ask yourself how much sooner the pilots could be recalled had active pilots not picked it up....
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unfortunately, for some people it's all about "me myself and I"....... Oh how sad!
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ugflyer
unfortunately, for some people it's all about "me myself and I"....... Oh how sad!
That's right! nobody else is going to pay my rent! you feel like donating some of your pay to help me out? ahh... didn't think so.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfa Charlie
Do you have to do initial training all over again?
No they'll just do a couple of sim sessions and then a checkride.
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Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr
"and [finally] MANAGEMENT decides to recall". that's the key.

Ask yourself how much sooner the pilots could be recalled had active pilots not picked it up....
No sooner.

Most lines have at least 14 days off and there are a bunch of 15-18 day off lines. Additionally, many trips finish early allowing for a turn to be added on. No, they could easily cover that flying done as OT. In fact, most of the flying is blocked and fairly little OT is available and there are plenty of lineholders available for JM or EX.

It sounds good in theory, that a bunch of tough pilots will show managment who really runs the show, but that is mostly the fantasy of relative youngsters and newbies with little or no knowledge of past history at Eagle.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
That's right! nobody else is going to pay my rent! you feel like donating some of your pay to help me out? ahh... didn't think so.
Take it easy big fella........I am not the one that told you not to pick up OT.
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Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr
Ask yourself how much sooner the pilots could be recalled had active pilots not picked it up....

Why don't YOU tell us how much sooner recalls would've happened?
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Old 10-30-2009, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr
"and [finally] MANAGEMENT decides to recall". that's the key.

Ask yourself how much sooner the pilots could be recalled had active pilots not picked it up....

Ask yourself how much sooner our 10 year F/Os could have UGed had CAs never picked up OT. Shouldn't we be giving OT-CAs grief, using your logic? If anyone deserves a break/bump, its the 10yr F/Os.
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by willflyforcash
Ask yourself how much sooner our 10 year F/Os could have UGed had CAs never picked up OT. Shouldn't we be giving OT-CAs grief, using your logic? If anyone deserves a break/bump, its the 10yr F/Os.
I'm not trying to get into a shooting match over OT. I never once condemned those who do pick it up. I simply said ask yourself a question. If you take the offensive, then that means to me that perhaps you went against your conscience. This is not about UG. This is about getting everyone back to work.

"Most lines have at least 14 days off and there are a bunch of 15-18 day off lines. Additionally, many trips finish early allowing for a turn to be added on. No, they could easily cover that flying done as OT. In fact, most of the flying is blocked and fairly little OT is available and there are plenty of lineholders available for JM or EX." -EagleFly-

(sorry, haven't posted on here enough to figure out how to quote multiple posters.) But don't forget the part in our contract that requires management to keep Eagle properly staffed. They can't just go around JMing pilots all day. Even an increase in frequency of JMs and someone's going to do something.
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Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr

(sorry, haven't posted on here enough to figure out how to quote multiple posters.) But don't forget the part in our contract that requires management to keep Eagle properly staffed. They can't just go around JMing pilots all day. Even an increase in frequency of JMs and someone's going to do something.
Unfortunately, JMing is considered part of normal staffing(it is in the contract), and does not necessarily mean we are over/under staffed. There are also no defined levels of staffing that indicate we are understaffed, it is all a relative thing. The penalties for understaffing the airline dont exist either. If the company is indeed understaffed nothing happens.

This might be something to think about for the next contract. Defined staffing levels, and defined penalties once they go below that level.
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