SKYW provides funding to UA, ASA to fly UAX
10-21-2009, 04:08 PM
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10-21-2009, 04:10 PM
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SkyWest knows if UA fails they go with them. They're sitting on all that cash at the moment so the best thing to do is to keep UA propped up until things improve. In the meantime the investment will give SKW and edge on securing contracts (a la AWAC) and get them a say on any bankruptcy hearings.
Worst case scenario UA goes tango-uniform in which case it really doesn't matter how much SKW has stashed away in the bank.
Worst case scenario UA goes tango-uniform in which case it really doesn't matter how much SKW has stashed away in the bank.
10-21-2009, 04:19 PM
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It's still cheaper to have 40 pax in a 50 seat CRJ, than 40 pax in a E-175 or B737. Some of those pax want to get on a big bird to somewhere on a ticket that cost beau coup bucks. If UAL doesn't provide it, somebody no doubt will.
10-21-2009, 04:26 PM
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I remember at a meeting with Jerry/Chip that UAL actually liked the 50 seaters in some markets, 'cuz they made sense. Sending in a 70, or 90, or 110, or whatever machine that has lower per seat cost doesn't make sense if the plane isn't mostly full.
It's still cheaper to have 40 pax in a 50 seat CRJ, than 40 pax in a E-175 or B737. Some of those pax want to get on a big bird to somewhere on a ticket that cost beau coup bucks. If UAL doesn't provide it, somebody no doubt will.
It's still cheaper to have 40 pax in a 50 seat CRJ, than 40 pax in a E-175 or B737. Some of those pax want to get on a big bird to somewhere on a ticket that cost beau coup bucks. If UAL doesn't provide it, somebody no doubt will.
10-21-2009, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL ALPA Scope Section
1-C-1-d Number of Block Hours of Feeder Flying
In each calendar year, the number of scheduled block
hours of Feeder Flying may not exceed the number of
scheduled block hours of Company Flying.
1-C-1-f Feeder Carrier Operation of Small Jets Larger than 50 Seats (jets for jobs)
A Feeder Carrier may perform Feeder Flying operating
Small Jets with a certificated seating capacity in excess of
fifty (50) seats if it also provides job opportunities to
furloughed United Pilots in accordance with Letter of
Agreement 03-22.
1-K-10 "Feeder Carrier" means a Domestic Air Carrier that,
when engaged in code sharing with the Company:
1-K-10-a Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes an
engine with an external propeller ("Turbo/Prop Aircraft")
other than Turbo/Prop Aircraft that are certificated for
seventy-eight (78) or fewer seats and have a maximum
permitted gross takeoff weight of less than seventy-five
thousand (75,000) pounds; and
1-K-10-b Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes a
turbine-driven engine without an external propeller ("Jet
Aircraft"), other than Small Jets.
1-K-22 "Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are
certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70)
or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight
of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to
eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating
capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder
Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These
eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota".
Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with
the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US,
N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW,
N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE,
N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any
aircraft within the AWAC Quota with: (i) any other BAe-146 or
AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than
were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft,
or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating
capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a
maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United
States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds.
In each calendar year, the number of scheduled block
hours of Feeder Flying may not exceed the number of
scheduled block hours of Company Flying.
1-C-1-f Feeder Carrier Operation of Small Jets Larger than 50 Seats (jets for jobs)
A Feeder Carrier may perform Feeder Flying operating
Small Jets with a certificated seating capacity in excess of
fifty (50) seats if it also provides job opportunities to
furloughed United Pilots in accordance with Letter of
Agreement 03-22.
1-K-10 "Feeder Carrier" means a Domestic Air Carrier that,
when engaged in code sharing with the Company:
1-K-10-a Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes an
engine with an external propeller ("Turbo/Prop Aircraft")
other than Turbo/Prop Aircraft that are certificated for
seventy-eight (78) or fewer seats and have a maximum
permitted gross takeoff weight of less than seventy-five
thousand (75,000) pounds; and
1-K-10-b Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes a
turbine-driven engine without an external propeller ("Jet
Aircraft"), other than Small Jets.
1-K-22 "Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are
certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70)
or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight
of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to
eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating
capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder
Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These
eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota".
Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with
the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US,
N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW,
N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE,
N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any
aircraft within the AWAC Quota with: (i) any other BAe-146 or
AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than
were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft,
or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating
capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a
maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United
States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds.
10-22-2009, 02:18 AM
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I don't think they've a contract since exiting BK, have they? I though it was just LOA's, like when they were able to get pay protection for the narrow body fleets, etc.
10-22-2009, 09:45 AM
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The "loan" from SKYW will never have to be repaid by UAL. Seeing as how the amount is not that great. I am guessing this was UAL's estimate of the amount of monetary penalties that ASA would pile up for lack of performance in the new UAX operation.
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