Regional pilots shown in Capitalism movie
10-06-2009, 09:11 AM
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Im amazed that some people in this forum complain about working/compensation conditions that are now present in the aviation industry and when somebody (doesnt matter who that person is) brings the subject up,the same people that complain about not having a voice to bring these issues to the public start to criticize the person who is telling the truth about it. (I dont care if michael moore is rich or not)
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
10-06-2009, 09:22 AM
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We ( Pilots ) are talking about them through Capital Hill subcomittees, which are a forumn much more likely to get results. My point was and is still this: anything that Michale Moore states ( regardless if it is dead right on) is suspect in the minds of the people watching his movies. Our plight will get lost in another movie that reeks of conspiricies, and mindless drival. The bulk of America may at somepoint watch one of his documentries, but will take them with a grain of salt because they just dont completely trust him (rightly so I might add) and I dont want the truth of what we face lost in that quagmire of half truths....
I'd assume, that most people going to see his movies, WANT to see it. And the message of our plight getting to people who are open to hear it, isn't a bad thing.
This debate is as ridiculous as the people GLAD Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it looks like a failure to Obama.
ANY publicity about how terribly we're (and other American industry workers) treated is a good thing. Be it Ariana Huffington, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or any left or right wing nut..i'm ok with it.
10-06-2009, 09:27 AM
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Perhaps Hypocrite isn't exactly the correct word, I'm trying to point out that while a movie pointing out the problems is one thing, taking a step to actually fix what you can within your own realm is quite another. Perhaps an endowment would be a drop in the bucket, but it might be one tiny step to fixing a problem he claims to care about. Old saying, actions speak louder than words...
10-06-2009, 09:30 AM
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I doubt there are many people going to Moore's movies that don't like him, or take what he says for truth.
I'd assume, that most people going to see his movies, WANT to see it. And the message of our plight getting to people who are open to hear it, isn't a bad thing.
This debate is as ridiculous as the people GLAD Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it looks like a failure to Obama.
ANY publicity about how terribly we're (and other American industry workers) treated is a good thing. Be it Ariana Huffington, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or any left or right wing nut..i'm ok with it.
I'd assume, that most people going to see his movies, WANT to see it. And the message of our plight getting to people who are open to hear it, isn't a bad thing.
This debate is as ridiculous as the people GLAD Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it looks like a failure to Obama.
ANY publicity about how terribly we're (and other American industry workers) treated is a good thing. Be it Ariana Huffington, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or any left or right wing nut..i'm ok with it.
10-06-2009, 09:31 AM
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I doubt there are many people going to Moore's movies that don't like him, or take what he says for truth.
I'd assume, that most people going to see his movies, WANT to see it. And the message of our plight getting to people who are open to hear it, isn't a bad thing.
This debate is as ridiculous as the people GLAD Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it looks like a failure to Obama.
ANY publicity about how terribly we're (and other American industry workers) treated is a good thing. Be it Ariana Huffington, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or any left or right wing nut..i'm ok with it.
I'd assume, that most people going to see his movies, WANT to see it. And the message of our plight getting to people who are open to hear it, isn't a bad thing.
This debate is as ridiculous as the people GLAD Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it looks like a failure to Obama.
ANY publicity about how terribly we're (and other American industry workers) treated is a good thing. Be it Ariana Huffington, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or any left or right wing nut..i'm ok with it.
10-06-2009, 09:49 AM
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My sentiments exactly! If Bill "Blowhard" O'Reilly or Rush "Pills" Limbaugh were to provide some insight to our plight, I sure wouldn't be too upset about it - in spite of how I feel about their political leanings. Give it a rest, at least SOMEONE who commands a spotlight is willing to provide us with a piece of it!
10-06-2009, 09:59 AM
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The sad part is you really believe that statement too....Its called the ends justify the means argument....until it backfires in your face and your need to find someone to dump the blame on outweighs your common sense...you just cant wait for the proper procedures to work through the process, typical of Americans, its called instant gratification...and it almost NEVER works for the better.
What I find "sad" is that you would rather discredit the message because you find the messenger so detestable than to use the opportunity to enlighten people outside the industry about our plight. Sometimes it's better NOT to look a gift horse in the mouth...
10-06-2009, 10:03 AM
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Im amazed that some people in this forum complain about working/compensation conditions that are now present in the aviation industry and when somebody (doesnt matter who that person is) brings the subject up,the same people that complain about not having a voice to bring these issues to the public start to criticize the person who is telling the truth about it. (I dont care if michael moore is rich or not)
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
10-06-2009, 10:05 AM
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I'm failing to grasp what was "sad" about my statement? And what process are you talking about? Regional pilots have been used as pawns for how long now? What magical process is going to save our hides? The RLA? ALPA? Congressional Subcomittees?
What I find "sad" is that you would rather discredit the message because you find the messenger so detestable than to use the opportunity to enlighten people outside the industry about our plight. Sometimes it's better NOT to look a gift horse in the mouth...
What I find "sad" is that you would rather discredit the message because you find the messenger so detestable than to use the opportunity to enlighten people outside the industry about our plight. Sometimes it's better NOT to look a gift horse in the mouth...
), but we need to continue to speak our message ourselves, not to rely on others to do it for us.... Especially not someone like MM.
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