Regional pilots shown in Capitalism movie
10-06-2009, 08:01 AM
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Can you enumerate, point by point how you disagreed with Moore about pilot pay? Have you even seen the film? He interviewed pilots, gathered data and put it into the film. Who says he's speaking on our behalf? Is The WSJ or MSNBC speaking on our behalf when they do a story on pilot pay? There is nothing wrong with pilot pay being exposed in a documentary film, regardless of what you think of the filmmaker.
As far as I'm concerned, more power to him. I wasn't a fan of Bowling for Columbine. However, I loved Roger and Me, Fahrenheit 9-11 and this new one.
As far as I'm concerned, more power to him. I wasn't a fan of Bowling for Columbine. However, I loved Roger and Me, Fahrenheit 9-11 and this new one.
10-06-2009, 08:02 AM
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Capitalism is about ownership. If you wanted to run a business to make money for your family and live a good life, you wouldn't want the government mandating what you can and cannot pay your employees. You would much rather the market decide for you on what to pay your staff.
This argument will go on ad infinitum between those on the different sides of the fence. All want the best for THEMSELVES, and so conflict naturally occurs.
If you try to curtail the rewards of running a business by demanding it be more "equitably" distributed, you end up with an Atlas Shrugged type situation.
This argument will go on ad infinitum between those on the different sides of the fence. All want the best for THEMSELVES, and so conflict naturally occurs.
If you try to curtail the rewards of running a business by demanding it be more "equitably" distributed, you end up with an Atlas Shrugged type situation.
10-06-2009, 08:16 AM
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Im amazed that some people in this forum complain about working/compensation conditions that are now present in the aviation industry and when somebody (doesnt matter who that person is) brings the subject up,the same people that complain about not having a voice to bring these issues to the public start to criticize the person who is telling the truth about it. (I dont care if michael moore is rich or not)
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
10-06-2009, 08:26 AM
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Im amazed that some people in this forum complain about working/compensation conditions that are now present in the aviation industry and when somebody (doesnt matter who that person is) brings the subject up,the same people that complain about not having a voice to bring these issues to the public start to criticize the person who is telling the truth about it. (I dont care if michael moore is rich or not)
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
why isnt somebody talking about colgan 3407?
why isnt somebody talking about pilots rest time?
why isnt somebody talking about pilot compensation?
At least he (michael moore) is talking about these issues
Its like these companies who donate a penny to a charity every time you buy something. They must really be driven to help that charity, right? Bull. They want to increase their sales to cover the cost (plus some) of donating to the charity. Plus its positive PR for the company = more sales.
Same thing here.
10-06-2009, 08:34 AM
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On the actual topic of this thread, Michael Moore is a hypocrite... He made a movie about how screwed up the health care system was... and lets see how many people's heathcare he fixed... um.... his own? How about setting up an endowment to help people with heathcare expenses?
I guess the fact that regional pilots aren't overpaid is addressed might be good, except for the vehicle in which that message is delivered. The problem with it being in a Michael Moore movie is just the amount of hype he puts in things, it makes it hard to believe anything he says....
10-06-2009, 08:35 AM
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People are talking about it. In a much more effective way than a movie which is not geared to help the pilots at all, but merely making MM richer. You must look at the real motive.
Its like these companies who donate a penny to a charity every time you buy something. They must really be driven to help that charity, right? Bull. They want to increase their sales to cover the cost (plus some) of donating to the charity. Plus its positive PR for the company = more sales.
Same thing here.
Its like these companies who donate a penny to a charity every time you buy something. They must really be driven to help that charity, right? Bull. They want to increase their sales to cover the cost (plus some) of donating to the charity. Plus its positive PR for the company = more sales.
Same thing here.
10-06-2009, 08:41 AM
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On the actual topic of this thread, Michael Moore is a hypocrite... He made a movie about how screwed up the health care system was... and lets see how many people's heathcare he fixed... um.... his own? How about setting up an endowment to help people with heathcare expenses?
10-06-2009, 08:45 AM
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Perhaps Hypocrite isn't exactly the correct word, I'm trying to point out that while a movie pointing out the problems is one thing, taking a step to actually fix what you can within your own realm is quite another. Perhaps an endowment would be a drop in the bucket, but it might be one tiny step to fixing a problem he claims to care about. Old saying, actions speak louder than words...
10-06-2009, 08:49 AM
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I was simply stating a question. Do we as pilots want Michael Moore ( a decidedly controversial semi nutcase) speaking for us, wether he got it right this time or not? I do not subscribe to the theory that just because I agree on one single item with someone that I want them speaking for me. If you have no problem than more power to you, that is for sure your right. Just like my asking a question in a public forumn is mine.. While I agree some what with the highlighted point, if he becomes the public face, speaking for us, I believe it may alienate people we need to get onboard our fight....agreed???
10-06-2009, 08:54 AM
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rant
I'll say it...he's a hypocrite.
He ought to donate the profit from the movie to the federal government - ALL OF IT. If government intervention is the only way to fix the mighty mess created by capitalism, then give it all to the cause.
We can socialize medicine, set minimums on wages, tax the wealthy even more and cut taxes for the poor (who don't really pay anything as it is). Pile more of the social burden onto those who get up in the morning with ambition. That will solve the problem. BRAVO, MM for nailing it!
/rant
*Now I have to clean my keyboard with Purell.*
I'll say it...he's a hypocrite.
He ought to donate the profit from the movie to the federal government - ALL OF IT. If government intervention is the only way to fix the mighty mess created by capitalism, then give it all to the cause.
We can socialize medicine, set minimums on wages, tax the wealthy even more and cut taxes for the poor (who don't really pay anything as it is). Pile more of the social burden onto those who get up in the morning with ambition. That will solve the problem. BRAVO, MM for nailing it!
/rant
*Now I have to clean my keyboard with Purell.*
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