Regional pilots shown in Capitalism movie
10-12-2009, 07:54 PM
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10-12-2009, 09:45 PM
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Why? Did Sicko loose credibility w/ you because the people who helped at the WTC managed to get the health care and drugs they needed for pennies-on-the-dollar? Mind you, this was after their own insurance companies turned their backs on these people. It's much more profitable to let these people die, rather than actually pay out a benefit and attempt to make them well. Yes, I can see how this would be despicable! How dare they get the drugs they need for less than the extortion-like prices here in the States.
10-12-2009, 11:04 PM
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You know I am surprised at how narrow minded the thinking is from supposedly intelligent people.
Capitalism = Great prosperity, freedom, mom and apple pie, the red white and blue, football etc.
Socialism = North Korea, China, Cuba, social oppression, no motivation to work.
Folks there is some very wide middle ground out there. Take the Scandanavian countries. Socialist countries with thriving freedoms and capitalism. They have among the highest tax rates in the world yet the highest standard of living in the world. They have socialized medicine that ranks among the best quality health care in the world. They have private ownership of businesses, homes and cars. They are guarenteed by law five weeks of vacation annually and have very powerful labor unions. They have among the lowest unemployment in the world and some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world. The countries are loaded with government programs to help (ie. in Denmark parents receive 3300 DKR every quarter for every child they have regardless of employment or income status - single parents receive even more) yet the vast majority of the citizens get up and go to work every day.
If the fear that the far right likes to instill in everyone were true, Scandanavia would not function. Taxes would oppress corporate development and growth, and reduce the incentive of the wealthy to go into business. The social welfare would reduce the incentive of the lower classes to work hard. Government regulation and invlovement would mean oppression to the citizens and stifling freedoms and liberties.
Yet in the real world, that does not happen.
Capitalism = Great prosperity, freedom, mom and apple pie, the red white and blue, football etc.
Socialism = North Korea, China, Cuba, social oppression, no motivation to work.
Folks there is some very wide middle ground out there. Take the Scandanavian countries. Socialist countries with thriving freedoms and capitalism. They have among the highest tax rates in the world yet the highest standard of living in the world. They have socialized medicine that ranks among the best quality health care in the world. They have private ownership of businesses, homes and cars. They are guarenteed by law five weeks of vacation annually and have very powerful labor unions. They have among the lowest unemployment in the world and some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world. The countries are loaded with government programs to help (ie. in Denmark parents receive 3300 DKR every quarter for every child they have regardless of employment or income status - single parents receive even more) yet the vast majority of the citizens get up and go to work every day.
If the fear that the far right likes to instill in everyone were true, Scandanavia would not function. Taxes would oppress corporate development and growth, and reduce the incentive of the wealthy to go into business. The social welfare would reduce the incentive of the lower classes to work hard. Government regulation and invlovement would mean oppression to the citizens and stifling freedoms and liberties.
Yet in the real world, that does not happen.
10-15-2009, 03:32 PM
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Hi!
North Korea, China and Cuba are NOT Socialist.
They call themselves "Communist", but they are not Communist. They are, basically, Dictatorships maid to sound more palatable to their citizens by calling themselves "Communist".
China is WAY different now than they used to be, and one of the main reasons is that the gov't of China has allowed Capitalism, to some extent, to work.
The Scandinavian countries (and Canada) are more Socialistic than the US, and have a higher quality of life than we do.
cliff
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North Korea, China and Cuba are NOT Socialist.
They call themselves "Communist", but they are not Communist. They are, basically, Dictatorships maid to sound more palatable to their citizens by calling themselves "Communist".
China is WAY different now than they used to be, and one of the main reasons is that the gov't of China has allowed Capitalism, to some extent, to work.
The Scandinavian countries (and Canada) are more Socialistic than the US, and have a higher quality of life than we do.
cliff
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10-15-2009, 03:43 PM
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Hi!
Scandinavia is Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. It used to be one kingdom.
Finland has an entirely different language, that is not related to any Scandinavian language.
And, there are LOTS of brunettes that are Scandinavian.
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Scandinavia is Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. It used to be one kingdom.
Finland has an entirely different language, that is not related to any Scandinavian language.
And, there are LOTS of brunettes that are Scandinavian.
cliff
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10-15-2009, 04:01 PM
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You know I am surprised at how narrow minded the thinking is from supposedly intelligent people.
Capitalism = Great prosperity, freedom, mom and apple pie, the red white and blue, football etc.
Socialism = North Korea, China, Cuba, social oppression, no motivation to work.
Folks there is some very wide middle ground out there. Take the Scandanavian countries. Socialist countries with thriving freedoms and capitalism. They have among the highest tax rates in the world yet the highest standard of living in the world. They have socialized medicine that ranks among the best quality health care in the world. They have private ownership of businesses, homes and cars. They are guarenteed by law five weeks of vacation annually and have very powerful labor unions. They have among the lowest unemployment in the world and some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world. The countries are loaded with government programs to help (ie. in Denmark parents receive 3300 DKR every quarter for every child they have regardless of employment or income status - single parents receive even more) yet the vast majority of the citizens get up and go to work every day.
If the fear that the far right likes to instill in everyone were true, Scandanavia would not function. Taxes would oppress corporate development and growth, and reduce the incentive of the wealthy to go into business. The social welfare would reduce the incentive of the lower classes to work hard. Government regulation and invlovement would mean oppression to the citizens and stifling freedoms and liberties.
Yet in the real world, that does not happen.
Capitalism = Great prosperity, freedom, mom and apple pie, the red white and blue, football etc.
Socialism = North Korea, China, Cuba, social oppression, no motivation to work.
Folks there is some very wide middle ground out there. Take the Scandanavian countries. Socialist countries with thriving freedoms and capitalism. They have among the highest tax rates in the world yet the highest standard of living in the world. They have socialized medicine that ranks among the best quality health care in the world. They have private ownership of businesses, homes and cars. They are guarenteed by law five weeks of vacation annually and have very powerful labor unions. They have among the lowest unemployment in the world and some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world. The countries are loaded with government programs to help (ie. in Denmark parents receive 3300 DKR every quarter for every child they have regardless of employment or income status - single parents receive even more) yet the vast majority of the citizens get up and go to work every day.
If the fear that the far right likes to instill in everyone were true, Scandanavia would not function. Taxes would oppress corporate development and growth, and reduce the incentive of the wealthy to go into business. The social welfare would reduce the incentive of the lower classes to work hard. Government regulation and invlovement would mean oppression to the citizens and stifling freedoms and liberties.
Yet in the real world, that does not happen.
There's the difference.... we have an entire segment of society already that does nto work, never has, never will, and their standard of living keeps getting better to the point now that the folks really working all the angles of Govt aid probably live better than first and second year FO's...
increasing the standards will just push more people to be non-producers.
In the scandnavian example you are citing... what are their welfare benefits for those that can work, but don't?
10-15-2009, 04:10 PM
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Hi!
Luck plays a HUGE role in being a pilot, especially.
Born before about 1880? Out of luck.
Born with Diabetes? Heart problem? Crap eyesight? Neurological problems? There are literally MILLIONS of people that were not lucky enough to have the health required to be a pilot.
Run over by a truck at age 8? Died in a house fire at age 2? Killed by a drunk driver in high school? MILLIONS of people die in accidents that have prevented them from becoming a pilot.
There is MASSIVE amounts of luck that involve all people, and since flying is so restrictive (physically, mentally, emotionally), luck is much more involved than, say, being a baker.
There are plenty of guys that got jobs through random chance...like riding on the same plane as a high-up Gulfstream guy, and getting a great job in Savannah, because of it, while thousands of other more qualified guys who applied were not even called in to interview.
cliff
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PS-I got an interview at DAL. Guess how???
Luck plays a HUGE role in being a pilot, especially.
Born before about 1880? Out of luck.
Born with Diabetes? Heart problem? Crap eyesight? Neurological problems? There are literally MILLIONS of people that were not lucky enough to have the health required to be a pilot.
Run over by a truck at age 8? Died in a house fire at age 2? Killed by a drunk driver in high school? MILLIONS of people die in accidents that have prevented them from becoming a pilot.
There is MASSIVE amounts of luck that involve all people, and since flying is so restrictive (physically, mentally, emotionally), luck is much more involved than, say, being a baker.
There are plenty of guys that got jobs through random chance...like riding on the same plane as a high-up Gulfstream guy, and getting a great job in Savannah, because of it, while thousands of other more qualified guys who applied were not even called in to interview.
cliff
NBO
PS-I got an interview at DAL. Guess how???
10-16-2009, 04:41 AM
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Hi!
TOTAL LUCK that I got the interview. My wife wanted to divorce me, so went on XMas ski trip by myself. Saw a couple of kids kind of struggling on the hill, so gave them some pointers. They introduced me to dad the senior DAL capt.
He heard my sad story, and invited me to XMas dinner, and the next thing I know he asks if I want to interview at DAL.
My hours/experience, were very low, especially relative to the timeframe. There's me, with 1700 total hours (1000 helo), and a guy with 17,000 PIC Part 121 in a 727, a Pan Am refugee.
Sheer and total luck. I did almost 0 to "deserve" the interview. Right place, right time.
cliff
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TOTAL LUCK that I got the interview. My wife wanted to divorce me, so went on XMas ski trip by myself. Saw a couple of kids kind of struggling on the hill, so gave them some pointers. They introduced me to dad the senior DAL capt.
He heard my sad story, and invited me to XMas dinner, and the next thing I know he asks if I want to interview at DAL.
My hours/experience, were very low, especially relative to the timeframe. There's me, with 1700 total hours (1000 helo), and a guy with 17,000 PIC Part 121 in a 727, a Pan Am refugee.
Sheer and total luck. I did almost 0 to "deserve" the interview. Right place, right time.
cliff
NBO
10-16-2009, 05:30 AM
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Excellent Post . . .
You know I am surprised at how narrow minded the thinking is from supposedly intelligent people.
Capitalism = Great prosperity, freedom, mom and apple pie, the red white and blue, football etc.
Socialism = North Korea, China, Cuba, social oppression, no motivation to work.
Folks there is some very wide middle ground out there. Take the Scandanavian countries. Socialist countries with thriving freedoms and capitalism. They have among the highest tax rates in the world yet the highest standard of living in the world. They have socialized medicine that ranks among the best quality health care in the world. They have private ownership of businesses, homes and cars. They are guarenteed by law five weeks of vacation annually and have very powerful labor unions. They have among the lowest unemployment in the world and some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world. The countries are loaded with government programs to help (ie. in Denmark parents receive 3300 DKR every quarter for every child they have regardless of employment or income status - single parents receive even more) yet the vast majority of the citizens get up and go to work every day.
If the fear that the far right likes to instill in everyone were true, Scandanavia would not function. Taxes would oppress corporate development and growth, and reduce the incentive of the wealthy to go into business. The social welfare would reduce the incentive of the lower classes to work hard. Government regulation and invlovement would mean oppression to the citizens and stifling freedoms and liberties.
Yet in the real world, that does not happen.
Capitalism = Great prosperity, freedom, mom and apple pie, the red white and blue, football etc.
Socialism = North Korea, China, Cuba, social oppression, no motivation to work.
Folks there is some very wide middle ground out there. Take the Scandanavian countries. Socialist countries with thriving freedoms and capitalism. They have among the highest tax rates in the world yet the highest standard of living in the world. They have socialized medicine that ranks among the best quality health care in the world. They have private ownership of businesses, homes and cars. They are guarenteed by law five weeks of vacation annually and have very powerful labor unions. They have among the lowest unemployment in the world and some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world. The countries are loaded with government programs to help (ie. in Denmark parents receive 3300 DKR every quarter for every child they have regardless of employment or income status - single parents receive even more) yet the vast majority of the citizens get up and go to work every day.
If the fear that the far right likes to instill in everyone were true, Scandanavia would not function. Taxes would oppress corporate development and growth, and reduce the incentive of the wealthy to go into business. The social welfare would reduce the incentive of the lower classes to work hard. Government regulation and invlovement would mean oppression to the citizens and stifling freedoms and liberties.
Yet in the real world, that does not happen.
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