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Old 10-08-2009, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
The "mainstream" isn't going to be real interested in a Michael Moore movie.
It'll be like lot's of other things. People may be "shocked" or "mortified" when sitting in the theatre and hear what the pay is. As soon as they walk out, they'll simply forget it.

Or just think of it like teachers and many, but not all cops. The pay sucks, too bad.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:28 AM
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Somebody ought to make a good movie about a regional 121 crew. Starring Woody Harrelson and Drew Barrymore. I'd pay to go see that.
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Originally Posted by bryris
Those who work and produce something of value, screw the lids on the jars, fly airplanes, sweep side walks, etc are the ones making society a better place. These people will always need to be paid a fair compensation DIRECTLY for their efforts - an element that is missing in the socialist plan. Those who basically do nothing of value except flip houses, buy low/sell high, etc just consume the fruits of society. It is this absence of intrinsic worth that will always burst in the end.

Sounds like the Nozickian Rights Theory.


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Old 10-08-2009, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lab Rat
TAXES.

If anyone needs ONE reason as to why the middle class is shrinking then one needs to look no further than the issue of taxes. And that is not just my opinion either. Take a look at your pay stubs and see how much is being taken out compared to how much you gross.

The solution is very simple and the numbers speak for themselves. Eliminate ALL sources of income tax and institute a national sales tax instead. If you want fair then there is not a more fair way to do this since everyone is paying the same percentage.

The middle class isn't shrinking because of capitalism, it is shrinking because of taxes (i.e., bigger government).
I couldn't disagree more, it has been the stagnant middle class wages. You can high higher taxes and still have a growing economy, which history has proven to be true. When you don't trickle enough money down to the middle class, the class that buys everything, you create an imbalance that causes very harsh economic effects. We saw it in the late 1920s and we are seeing it again now. I think people tend to take their own personal dislike of taxes and somehow try to connect it as to why we are struggling. I don't think we pay too much in taxes, I think the richest top 1 or 2% pays too little.
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cybourg10
I couldn't disagree more, it has been the stagnant middle class wages. You can high higher taxes and still have a growing economy, which history has proven to be true. When you don't trickle enough money down to the middle class, the class that buys everything, you create an imbalance that causes very harsh economic effects. We saw it in the late 1920s and we are seeing it again now. I think people tend to take their own personal dislike of taxes and somehow try to connect it as to why we are struggling. I don't think we pay too much in taxes, I think the richest top 1 or 2% pays too little.
What do you mean by "trickle enough money down to the middle class"? Would this happen through high taxes imposed by the government on the upper class being paid to those who have less though government programs or projects? If so, why should the government do this and not private industry?
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Originally Posted by jeeps
What do you mean by "trickle enough money down to the middle class"? Would this happen through high taxes imposed by the government on the upper class being paid to those who have less though government programs or projects? If so, why should the government do this and not private industry?
Do you think the "private" industry is going to honestly trickle enough down? When United Airlines loses money what happens? They ask for pay cuts from union employees and then Tilton gives him and his buddies some nice bonuses. I didn't say high taxes either, I said higher than what we have now, big difference. Do some research and and see what a society looks like without a strong middle class. We have had the idea that the private industry will police itself for 30 years now
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
So you must feel like you are fairly compensated at your job, your health insurance meets or exceeds your expectations, your tax dollars have a direct impact on your community, and these executives are fairly compensated for the great work they do.
Of course I want more, I'm human right? I will not give credability to someone who wants Europeon Socialism. I am an American, not an whiny French ***. Michael Moore will never speak for me.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:11 PM
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Of course I want more, I'm human right? I will not give credability to someone who wants Europeon Socialism. I am an American, not an whiny French ***. Michael Moore will never speak for me.
Yes we are Americans! Socialism is reserved for the rich! I will not give credibility to someone that can't spell credibility, or European.
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Originally Posted by cybourg10
Yes we are Americans! Socialism is reserved for the rich! I will not give credibility to someone that can't spell credibility, or European.
Me two dumbb to fly aeroplane. Are you making Michael Moore cupcakes over there or what?
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Originally Posted by cybourg10
I couldn't disagree more, it has been the stagnant middle class wages. You can high higher taxes and still have a growing economy, which history has proven to be true. When you don't trickle enough money down to the middle class, the class that buys everything, you create an imbalance that causes very harsh economic effects. We saw it in the late 1920s and we are seeing it again now. I think people tend to take their own personal dislike of taxes and somehow try to connect it as to why we are struggling. I don't think we pay too much in taxes, I think the richest top 1 or 2% pays too little.
Are you actually saying we are not taxed enough? Your statement of the richest types is incorrect. The top 5% of wage earners in the U.S.A. pay almost 60% of all tax revenues in this country. The only thing that,"...history has proven true..." is that NO country in history has ever been able to tax itself into prosperity. I understand people trying to blame someone for the country's woes, but thinking that higher taxes (others can join in the misery) will help grow the economy is absurd.

When was the last time a poor guy offered you a good job? If you're flying for a living and making a decent wage, you probably work for a large airline, cargo hauler or wealthy corporation. Lower taxes across the board, and let the people who really drive this economy bring it back.

Government involvement always screws things up, (see; DMV, FAA, IRS for examples). The 1920's-30's melee was driven by the government, and prolonged with F.D.R.'s ridiculous socialist ideas that we're still living with today.

Why are so many people shocked that regional pilots have bad wages and little quality of life? It's always been that way at smaller arilines. Have they ever read "Fate Is The Hunter" by Earnest K. Gann? (Should be required reading at all flight schools)

Look, I'm not a foaming at the mouth-rabid Michael Moore hater. He's an entertainer, and has a talent for stirring things up. I just don't like an obviously rich, out of shape Canadian telling America they have bad health and are too rich.
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