aviatorhi

Because they are not (I repeat NOT) hiring you as a First Officer with a promised upgrade to Captain someday, they are hiring you as a First Officer with a possibility of upgrading to Captain someday.

Aviation does not have to be different since there is a sufficient amount of qualified pilots for the Captain slots where they will not have to pay for employees to obtain experience elsewhere in order to fill vacancies.

Following is not directed at Wags:

Pilots who are worried about not having sufficient PIC time should have obtained their experience before entering the airline industry, not only is it a good idea to have experience making your OWN decisions (not ERAU or ATPs making them for you), before you get into an aircraft worth $15+ million. Also, wouldn't it be great to have a backup plan for if/when you get furloughed from the airline you're working for, like going back to the Part 135 outfit or flight school or dropzone you were working for prior?

Alknew182

This is not an excuse to not have the time required. Most pilots had to pay for that time on their own. So because you got your job handed to you, then the company should have to pay for the time you should have had when you got there? Like someone else said earlier they hired you as a FO not a CA. So the responsibility falls in the pilots hands not the company.

skybob

Hey Stig?????????? Where did you go? I guess you only like to hurl insults. Anyone else care to explain how this is being logged for your 8710. Like I said, I have seen it done and am curious

CaptKrunch

Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it not only wastes your time but it irritates the pig.

Sniper

I too am curious.

In reference to SIC, the 8710 only tells you:
So, no help there.

You'd enter the SIC you're using to meet the 250 PIC requirement in the "Pilot in Command (PIC)" column SIC box (right underneath the PIC box). If questioned about how you are complying with the 250 PIC requirement, you'd say to your DE, "when you add up the Airplane PIC and the Airplane SIC, you get more than 250. I was 'executing the duties of PIC' as an SIC, which is the same thing as 'performing the duties of PIC' as SIC, the requirement under FAR 61.159. Reference FAR 61.55.b.2.ii.".

I love some of the comments on this thread, summing things up. Good stuff.

For those who want the serious summary, though, here it is:

FAR 61.159 tells you what you need for an ATP. Among other things, you need "250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command."

A poster on this thread has put forth the idea that FAR 61.55.b.2.ii will allow you to log SIC towards this 250 hour PIC requirement, b/c it says "Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command" is one of the requirements of a SIC annual check (a PT or PC).

The question is, just b/c a SIC does one maneuver in the sim (or airplane) during a PC "while executing the duties of PIC", does that mean that a SIC is always "performing the duties of PIC" whenever they are @ flying, just when they're the pilot flying, or never? Can a SIC with a FAA pilot's license limiting them to SIC privileges only in a plane log PIC in the plane?

Though most pilots on this forum would answer "never" and "no" to these questions, apparently, there is disagreement, since a poster claims applicants using SIC @ their carrier to satisfy the 250 PIC requirement "has been shown to be current practice at most companies such as ASA, and Expressjet".

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Stig, don't know how 'Mesa does it' (relevance?). If you're 'The Stig', don't you drive the car? The GT used in 'Top Gear' is a left-hand drive model.

pagey

Where are Colgan's few new hires going? Also, where are future new hires going?(acft)

etflies

Alright, I'll be that guy. Whats the word on hiring to staff these new a/c? Last I heard they (Colgan) were looking at some next year?

usmc-sgt

No one knows...maybe early spring or so. April ish? That is just a wild guess.

Any new hire we have had has gone to the saab. No dash 8 new hires.

The Stig

I did not have the urge or desire to toss crumbs to forum trolls disseminating misleading information. Sniper knows the answer now that he has broadened his horizons and asked on at least one other message board.

Thanks for wondering about my whereabouts though. At least I know I am loved.


-The Stig

skybob

No answer then from the one who seems to know all?