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09-24-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by geosynchronous

So, if you are inside of six miles, I can reasonably assume you flew a five mile final.

You lost 5100 feet in five miles.

Assuming that you fly at 140 knots (I don't know what you approach at in the Dash 8), that means you were descending at 2380 feet per minute all the way to the runway.

I am not trying to sound contemptuous here; but why would you be bragging about this?

Not picking a side but Vref for flaps 35 landing is about 92, and that's if you're heavy. Add 10 knots, and that's your ref for flaps 15.

09-24-2009, 04:02 PM

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ref and 10 108

09-24-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by beeker

I don't understand. Don't all airlines have liquor on board, thus a liquor cabinent.

I dont know, do they? I assumed most dash 8s dont have liquor but maybe they do and if that is the case...I spoke foolishly! BTW This thread is immensely entertaining. I sit at home all day smelling my own farts because I only fly about 3 times per month. For this I thank you all.

09-24-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by geosynchronous

I have seen 6,000 feet in 5 miles. Slow to 120 kts and get the gear down, flaps to 35 and props to max and hold about 110 all the way down to the runway.

I don't think he is bragging, just showing that the Dash 8 was built to handle that kind of stuff and to be able to get into short runways. Granted a jet could not do that it does fly faster than a Dash 8. Duh...so what? I am in this industry to build my time and make what little money I can and if I can make over $31 an hour second year to fly a turboprop while my buddy flying a jet is pulling in $28...so be it.

09-24-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dashtrash300

OK, 108 knots puts you at 1836 feet per minute to the runway inside of five miles.

I fly a Sovereign, which gets in to short runways as well.

Sooner or later, you need to get to stabilized approach criteria.

What does pay have to do with that?

09-24-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by geosynchronous

Who says it isn't stabilized within the proper requirements. You think we would do 2,500 feet per minute all the way to the runway? You think we are stupid? We still get stabilized by the proper AGL requirements (less than 1,000 feet per minute). At no time does the EGPWS go off requiring a go around.

And I thought pay had to do with everything in this industry.

09-24-2009, 04:35 PM

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Q400 pilots: What kind of TAS can you get from that airplane at cruise? Somewhere between 320-350 knots? Just curious how much faster it is than the earlier Dashes.

09-24-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dashtrash300

dashtrash300,

There was one cogent idea on the table when I elected to participate in this discussion. I also declared my intent to not be contemptuous.

I was talking about stabilized approaches and mathematics of the aforementioned examples.

5100 feet/5 miles= 1020 ft/mile x 110 knots / 60 = 1870 feet per minute.

I never mentioned the word "stupid," you did. I never made an inference.

I never mentioned renumeration; you did.

Safety has "everything to do" in [our] industry...at least that is my viewpoint.

Fly safe, and I wish you the best with your aspirations.

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09-24-2009, 04:46 PM

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I just want to clarify, the point of this thread wasn't to pit once aircraft against each other. It was to point out a lack of professionalism on the radio. Anytime anyone, from a C152 to B777, has ever asked me to move my aircraft they have said "tower will you ask N123BC to pull ahead so I have access or will you ask the citation X to pull up a little". The Dask Pilot's comments were unprofessional. If he is going to be throwing around comments like that then he should at least know something about the piece of equipment he is referring to.

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09-24-2009, 04:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geosynchronous

dashtrash300,

There was one cogent idea on the table when I elected to participate in this discussion. I also declared my intent to not be contemptuous.

I was talking about stabilized approaches and mathematics of the aforementioned examples.

5100 feet/5 miles= 1020 ft/mile x 110 knots / 60 = 1870 feet per minute.

I never mentioned the word "stupid," you did. I never made an inference.

I never mentioned renumeration; you did.

Safety has "everything to do" in [our] industry...as least that is my viewpoint.

Fly safe, and I wish you the best with your aspirations.

Just because I used your quote for my response doesn't mean all of my response comes from what you said. Yes, you did not say stupid. But others were questioning whether or not we had proper situational awareness. I would love to fly our proper profiles all the time. But because of RJ's that have to do 180 kts or whatever all the way to the runway because their wing design is so jacked up at slow speeds and ATC knows that the Dash is designed and fully capable of SAFELY handling those types of approaches. I pride myself if always considering saftey as my number one priority.