Banshee365

All I'm saying is that if you want to travel somewhere under some sort of privelage just call up a chief pilot. Remember when you interviewed at ASA? You got the voucher to fly to the interview and back. The same can be done while on furlough. I don't care if you come back or not, it's completely your decision. I'm just giving you an option if you want to interview elsewhere...

John Pennekamp

From everything I'm rearing, YES, it will. It will greatly increase our chances of winning an RFP (one ASA has already bid on, and are now revising their bid) that will provide a home for the 20 50s.

John Pennekamp

Uh, I'm pretty sure this information is incorrect. The sad reality is that DELTA, not ASA, not SkyWest controls out pass "privileges" 100%. ASA has absolutely no say in the matter.

They tried to negotiate furloughee pass "privileges" and DELTA's response was give up "S3 on your own metal". Obviously that was a deal killer. That would be the majority sacrificing for the few.

USMC3197

gtech - Calm down man, I know it feels, I was part of the 80. It sucks but the truth is that their is NOTHING you and I can do about it. Tell you the truth many of us didn't use out pass benefits much/at all after we got furloughed. What's the point in going places when you cannot afford it with no job. There was a e-mail sent out when I got furloughed and when you got furloughed saying that if you need to fly for an interview call them and they can see about hooking you up with a seat. Our fate is entirely on ALPA our pilot group and how they work with management. I am sure it is anger and frustration that causing you to blow your lid here and I do agree that there are a few at ASA that has been with them since they had a 121 job. Therefor they do not know what life under furlough is like. But remember there are MANY here at ASA that came from other airlines that was much worst with the furlough gun. They understand very well the situation we are in. Also what's the point of staying with an airline if it is bleeding money and cannot grow? PBS is something that we have to do sooner or later, otherwise everyone is going out underbid us. We just need to hope that our MECs are taking carefull steps so that PBS doesn't skrew us. Some say that's impossible others say it is. PBS can HELP ensure ASA future by lowering our costs. I dunno about you but one reason I came to ASA was because they paid well. This means higher costs for ASA at the same token, even more reason why PBS can save us. SKYW, RJET both pay well also and they use PBS. Our QOL maybe on line but crappy pay and lots of time off aint much of a QOL also. Let's just wait and see the details on PBS and as far as pass travel just contact the chief pilot or go on the ASA ALPA board. There are a few pilots on there that are donating their buddy passes also. You are senior to me buddy, hope to see you in the class ahead of me when we are recalled.

Trip7

Would IAD go senior or junior?

todd1200

I don't understand how ASA could pick up United flying. Why wouldn't Skywest just take it themselves and avoid incurring the initial expenses, training, etc. of getting the operation spooled up at ASA. Couldn't they just take the 200s that we're parking?

atlmsl

Not sure what training would be required. The pilots are already qualified on the aircraft. All that changes is the base of operations. IAD would be new for Skywest and ASA alike.

USMC3197

I do remember in training they mentioned something about a scope (something in the line of not flying for 2 different carriers out of the same coast/airport? or a certain amount of flying can be done? i dunno) and that is why it's good for ASA and SKYW to stay separate.

But if we are just talking about expenses then one can argue why don't SKYW just hand us all the DL flying and they take the UAL?

They already have like 129 200s and not all are being used, they don't want ours. My guess is Inc. wants us both to diversify, DL has too much leverage on us.

Gunga Galunga

The company can not understandably say much about these things, but where can the reasonable assurance come from that if the pilots back it and vote PBS in that they won't be played a fool if the RFP is lost to another carrier.

Also, what's the time frame of voting it in?

John Pennekamp

Why won't the flying go to SkyWest? Simple answer. When a company shrinks, its unit costs go up. When a company grows, its costs go down. SKW Inc. needs to grow ASA to lower our costs. There would be no training costs.

As for SkyWest taking the 50s, they don't need them. They are already fat... that's why they're in ATL and CVG.