250 or point 65

They didn't appeal the decision because once the appeal is done, its done. It is a strategic move to keep the options open for the future for an appeal at the right time, which could be written in as part of a new contract in order to force the merging of seniority lists. I know, I know, the possibility of merging lists is slim to none, but because the appeal is still pending, the lists could then be merged without the GJ pilot input (not that they'd have any input because they don't have a union representing the pilots anyway). Again, the likelihood of this happening is nil, but the option is available to be put on the table...as the negotiating committee did in it's response to the "Bridge Agreement". God forbid a pilot group should think long term.

AirWillie...I didn't say anything about pimp my ride, but you really have not responded to any of the points I've made without dismissing me as an incredible source. Also, the pimp my ride response was a half-joke in response to the Overhaulin' analogy. Way to respond to a real issue.

250 or point 65

Don't forget, attempts have been made to reach out to 618, but that only resulted in GJ'ers who wanted to cooperate getting fired. Joining forces with 618 is impossible because 618 IS management. They have no desire to cooperate because that means giving up their their cozy relationship with management and probably being fired.

AirWillie

Where does it say on there that it's TSA flying? Where? It's gojet flying. If it was TSA flying, we would not have a separate list, it would have been an open and shut case for TSA. Make an air tight contract next time. It's almost as ridiculous as major pilots crying over RJs taking over their jobs which they allowed. The point that I am trying to make is that it's not anyones fault but managements and the people responsible for the debacle. No use in beating a dead horse, try to focus on what really matters in your negotiations so mistakes will not be made again.

250 or point 65

Its not TSA's flying. There, I've said it.

ITS TSH's FLYING! And it should be flown by TSH's pilots, not TSA and GJ pilots.

And its kinda funny that you say its no one's fault but mgmt, but then place the blame on the "mistakes" of TSA ALPA.

250 or point 65

Wake up man. Thats what we're trying to do, but you keep saying we should "give a little to get a little" and "how come mesa and GJ can get a contract done so quickly and TSA cant"

Which one is it? Do you want us to raise the bar or roll over? Its kind of funny that you tell us to have an airtight contract but you're the ones who are going to suffer from your POS contract when they dissolve TSA and open a GJ alter ego.

AirWillie

Ok then what happened with the court case? It should be straight forward spelling out of a regional contract isn't it?

AirWillie

that was in the context of the 05 negs where they were asking your for terms for the single list. now you guys have nothing to lose though huh

DryMotorBoatin

Did the mods fall asleep or what? How has a gojets thread gotten to 13 pages?

TPROP4ever

Because suprisingly the conversation is going somewhat ok, its a start ...

dontsurf

wow. you really don't care about the truth, do you? re-read my other posts and put the word "willful" in front of "ignorance". like i said before, why don't you bother to read the contract that was in effect at trans states at the time all this went down? if you do read it, you will see that tsa holdings blatantly violated the contract. that is the whole point. they violated it and got away with it, despite alpa and the pilot group trying to stand up for what was right. did alpa do everything humanly possible? no, and you've read why. but it all goes back to management starting out the whole process by flushing the contract down the toilet.