JoeMerchant

Interesting to hear you say that....What specifically are you referring to?

higney85

Well, not sure what to say. All I posted was facts, never said my position. Facts tend to make people upset when they don't agree with things in black and white.

Soft money? O- the 100% CX pay? That's enough to cover a viagra Rx to keep it hard money. There is NO other soft money, all hard and small- but size doesn't matter right?

Helperto EL

Well I'm not upset at all and never will be. I knew what I was getting into. I would suspect that this is your first real job and expect you to be elsewhere when the industry starts to pick up. I suggest you get your PIC time and move on up. Did you get hired with low time or did you have 3000 hours? Not sure but I suspect you were a very low time guy? I really don't have to know your position to figue it out. What about Block or better? How about 75% deadhead pay you will receive. Weather you like it or not get a pay raise. I recommend you look real hard at what you are suggesting others to do by your hints. Wether you believe it or not thats what you are doing. Give it a rest and have fun looking at the TA. By the way Viagra didn't realize a guy at your age needed that? LOL! Just a little advice from someone who had a career pryer to this. I do agree the industry is a mess. Never seen anything like it. However it is one of easiest jobs I've ever had.

higney85

Nope, not a low-timer but didn't have the 3000 hours prior. Haven't hid my times since day one- go back about 900 posts and I was in many of the new hire and hiring discussions.
DH pay still below the peers in the group (both DCI and 50/76 seat regionals).
Don't need viagra, although I think sometimes the wife would appreciate it if I could keep things cool for a night.

I have vented about problems with this TA, but have backed up my frustrations with charts, graphs, language, etc. The facts speak for themselves before I even put in my $.02 . As soon as the TA becomes public I will post specific charts and language that relates to healthcare that is NOT industry leading anymore as well as some of the positive language we have on leaves, and still the lacking areas pertaining to retirees and new borns. It's not all negative, there is some positive, but OVERALL we can no longer hold our hat on healthcare as a great thing compared to the industry.

If you look at my posts I say in almost every one to look at the contract through YOUR eyes and make YOUR decision. Those walking around just looking at a payrate may be surprised when their math of 75X new rate vs. 75X old rate doesn't add up due to deductions that have increased- and not linear with pay raises. Once the TA is out I hope everyone reads it cover to cover and assesses where they stand and if they can live with it for 5+ years, especially compared to their peers at other carriers doing the same job for the same "majors".

Helperto EL

If you look at my posts I say in almost every one to look at the contract through YOUR eyes and make YOUR decision. Those walking around just looking at a payrate may be surprised when their math of 75X new rate vs. 75X old rate doesn't add up due to deductions that have increased- and not linear with pay raises. Once the TA is out I hope everyone reads it cover to cover and assesses where they stand and if they can live with it for 5+ years, especially compared to their peers at other carriers doing the same job for the same "majors".[/quote]

Well, that's all I'm saying before you state your opinion you should allow others to formulate their opinion based on what they have interpeted not how you have interpeted. It doesn't matter what kind of graph you have it is still an opinion not a fact. Nothing is an absolute in the life and a contract for sure isn't, so with that being said keeping hints to ones self is sometimes the best way to go. Good luck to you in your future endevours and I wish you all the best.

dondk

If you really do the numbers, it is concessionary to everyone.

The "new" payrates are basically COLA (3%) for the last 5 years (no DOS increase). For the mid pack pilots, there is 2-4 bucks/hour for the 5 year wait. Those 12 years or better back in '04 are now screwed. They cap at 18 years and if they would received JUST the COLA (3%) for the last 5 years they would be making more.

Depending on the "retro" check, it may not cover the DOS pay loss for the last 5 years except for the wh*res that did better than 1000 hours credit (based on a W2 model).

The combined COLA and DOS was about 6% annually, you are getting 3% and a couple of bucks looking forward. There is NO pay increase to speak of, it is not like the compensation picked up like the last 5 years didn't happen. The compensation for a 8 yr CA (with COLA and DOS) should be 76.00+. The new rates are $72. It is actually worse for the top 5% of the sen list, they are really getting hosed if they are still on the -200.

Do not vote on money alone, look at the whole package. If it is shot down by the pilots, you need to be specific of what needs to be improved and you should not JUST say $$$

todd1200

I would say ASA + $1 or a "No" vote. Let's take a step toward ending the whipsaw.

HIREME

my issue isn't with the payrates, they're actually dead average...it's the rest of the contract that puts us below average...

Paid2fly

Just wondering...are you in management already, or just making an effort to brownnose your way in?

BigBallzMagee

I have issues other than pay also but don't say that they are average......not on the FO side anyway. Well below other carriers that fly more than one airframe. Average 2nd year should be around 34-35. We should have been above this. 31 is a slap in the face.