Originally Posted by PCL_128

Actually, all of that would be considered struck work. Before a strike, an MEC votes to set a date and implement a struck work policy. On the date that is set, a snapshot is taken of all routes that the carrier operates, including frequency and gauge (aircraft size). If, after the strike, any carrier increases its frequency or gauge on the routes that the striking carrier operated, then it is considered struck work. That is why MECs set up strike centers with a call bank. The call bank is used so pilots from other carriers can call in and see if the flight they are operating is struck work. At PCL we were given a number just prior to the Mesaba strike, if you remember, and we were supposed to call in to see if a flight we were operating was on our schedule prior to the cutoff date. If it wasn't, you were supposed to refuse it on the basis of struck work. Mesaba never got to a strike, but the system was in place, and all MECs were notified of the struck work policy well in advance.

Originally Posted by HercDriver130

I think Selcall is one of the first mainline pilots I have seen on this or any board advocating that a Jet/regional carrier group of pilots sign a mediocre TA. All that is preached on the boards by the mainliners is "you guys at the regionals need more pay and better work rules"... yet this guy seems to be advocating just the opposite.

On ole saying "A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush."when it comes to a contract. That is all I am saying. Not neccessarily advocating they sign it just offering another view than STFD. Here is my rub, there is no direct or indirect correlation that can be proven that shows with any concise business models that improving regional pay or work rules will in fact offer me any job security at mainline. There have been those who have theorized that bringing the levels to an equalibrium between mainline and the regional will force companies to see the error in their ways and bring that flying back to mainline. I state that every time we think that or might even get close there is another "Go Jets" being started somewhere that negates that argument. ALPA has serious flaws. One of those is that I cannot see how they can represent two or several representative labor groups that are competing for the same flying. I don't have a solution but National has over the past 15 years lead us down a road that I am not sure we can ever "Take it back".

What I do know is Selcall HATES any and all regional companies and firmly believes they should be stuck flying aircraft no bigger than a Saab.

Don't hate the companies, but do believe they need to being flying turboprops only.

I do admire Selcall for the fact that at least he does not hide his disdain for regional pilots and their companies. Selcall some time ago stated that he would fly 76 seat jets for a comparable wage to what he is making if the QOL was better... well there in lies the rub....mgt is not gonna pay you the same money to fly a 76 aircraft as it does to fly a 150 seat aircraft....... and thats why we have essentially "B" scale airlines.

I don't hate the pilots. I cannot stand the since of mindless regurgitation (sp) of talking points they hear without any true thought to the results of those actions. The thinking of some of the young pilots I talk to is that if they expand and get more airplanes they can upgrade sooner and then get that 1000 hours of PIC and then get hired at Mainline within a year and a half or so. The problem is that their expansion reduces mainline jobs. The other problem is thinking that 1000 hours of PIC time is all you need to be in class. There are a lot of pilots sitting in the left seats of regionals right now who interviewed and thought the same thing last time everyone was hiring. They are still sitting there.
You are right. NWA and AA were some of the first to get rid of the "B" scale and the only thing that ALPA and it's pilots allowed to happen was a "B" scale moved to the Commuter airlines. That is the true tragedy in this story. And the reason for so many of our problems today.

Oh and those "struck" routes... Selcall.... will be struck routes mainline cant cover them after the fact... well I guess they could but that would be struck work... no way around it.

Originally Posted by PCLCREW

After 5 years I cant believe they even would put a piece of trash like this out. I saw the pay rates last night and they are terrible.. total crap.
The MEC told us on one of the calls that they were ASA + 1$... They are no where near that...
Im making a new sticker instead of MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME... MY MEC LIES TO ME.

Originally Posted by higney85

Everyone needs to read the TA, and read it carefully. I am trying to keep things "in house" and just on the company board so this thread may not get much. The TA should be out soon for everyone to read, unfortunately road shows are going to turn into town hall meetings.

ATL reps both voted YES.
MSP CA rep voted YES.
MEM reps voted YES.
DTW reps voted NO.
MSP FO rep voted NO.

Originally Posted by PCLCREW

After 5 years I cant believe they even would put a piece of trash like this out. I saw the pay rates last night and they are terrible.. total crap.
The MEC told us on one of the calls that they were ASA + 1$... They are no where near that...
Im making a new sticker instead of MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME... MY MEC LIES TO ME.

Originally Posted by Helperto EL

What the heck do you want? I say you should continue under the same rates now and then when the TA passes we will all take the raise and you stay the same. Just keep in mind all of the soft money you will be losing out on. You are looking at about an 8 to 12,000 dollar raise but if you don't want it I'll take it.