captainwillie

Can anyone tell me why the bonus is going to be tied strictly to an individual's W-2? We have captain's here making eighty plus an hour with 5 years since the contract was amendable. Add to that 100 hour buy outs for captain's doing sim training and don't forget those doing check airman or OE at one hundred and fifty percent. This while some FO's are making eighteen to twenty four with less than two years against senior captain's almost five. Looks like the senior guys will be able to buy a new car with their bonus while the first and second year FO's probably won't get enough to put a set of retreads on their old jalopy!

Noseeums

All correct.

Noseeums

Shouldn't you be more concerned with the fact that the MEC just passed a concessionary TA?

shadyops

they will vote yes...not sure why, but they will.

FlyASA

Are there a lot of 18 year captains at 9E? I thought one of the reasons you guys were cheaper than everyone else is because your seniority list is relatively young.

BigBallzMagee

Well this Jet U kid who was also a CFI before the bridge will be voting no to a 7 dollar second year pay raise. Below industry standard in just about everything I've heard. The whole thing sounds concessionary to me....No thanks. I gots bills to pay. I'll give it a fair look but if it's anything like what I've heard it's a definite no vote from me. All FOs need to look past the stupid pay raise and think about upgrading and how we'll be stuck with crappy Reserve life and so forth. Not worth signing a contract that we'll be stuck
with for possibly 10 years by the time they TA the next one. Send it back and let's get it done right!

higney85

Signing bonus has not been agreed to but it will not be w-2 based as earlier thought. That being said I don't have a formula, just the trust "E-plan" as I call it.

weaseljet

Hey, does anybody know what the hold up is for releasing the TA for view? We are in the electronic age. Aren't we?

aviatorpr

11 min for line holders, 10 for reserves.
no more extensions or junior assignment into day off
1 ja refusal a month.

but subpar pay, only 75% DH and Cancellations
no duty or trip rigs

10 mil to be split among 1300 of us and it's going to be payed out in halves? I want a FAIR contract, not a subpar

PCL_128

Gotta agree with JP on this. A TA not passing the MEC unanimously is a very rare event. On the other hand, what it really shows is that the MEC was so apathetic that they weren't keeping an eye on what the negotiating committee was doing. If I was still a DTW PCL pilot, I would be looking for answers as to why these guys didn't fix the situation before it was too late.

Unfortunately, that may be true. It would have almost certainly been true if the MEC had actually voted it down rather than sending it for a pilot group vote. The NMB doesn't take kindly to unions that don't police their own negotiators, and they likely would have parked you for 6 months if the TA had been rejected by the MEC. There's less chance of that happening now if the pilot group votes it down, but your MEC will have lost a lot of credibility with the NMB, and you may be in better shape replacing them if they don't get you a quick turnaround on a new TA within a couple of months of rejecting this one.

Not true. ALPA did make it clear to them that the NMB was not going to be pleased if they hung up negotiations on the dual qual issue (the only remaining issue for the past couple of months), but they never threatened to "pull the plug" on negotiations.

Again, you should ask them why they allowed this NC to bring them a substandard TA. It's their job to provide oversight and guidance to the NC. If they didn't , then they are the ones responsible for the bad TA.

It may not be very good, but it's far from concessionary.