higney85

I wonder if my pony will get along with the llamas.

SrfNFly227

I can't see why not. With this contract it looks like both are fictional creatures. They can get along with whatever you want

challenger

no not Shay I was a msp FO bid # 25 i left in May to to a corp gig flying a challenger not disapointed at all in leaving and from what tid bit of the contract i have herd about or seen i am very disapointed in it I throught that we would of had a better deal

higney85

Good for you! But put spellcheck on- reading your posts is like translating discussion on the ramp in Memphis.

challenger

Sorry, doing three things at once.

dondk

I would NEVER condone or remotely suggest a settlement. I am saying with the complexity of the TA, rejection and re-negotiation of some (not all of the sections), 9E would more than likely still be 2-3 steps behind. Lets be realistic, some carriers have language that hotels will be in city centers, do you really think 9E pilots will delay 2 years on a re-negotiation for city center hotels? Or would they rather have the focus on work rules?. There inevitably will be some sections that will be slightly behind the herd. The goal is not to have the WHOLE TA behind the herd, a section here and there is not going to make that much difference provided the core sections are with the herd.
No one had a "perfect" contract, that is what I am trying to convey. 9E will not get a perfect contract, no one would otherwise why would you have amenable dates?

dondk

aw c'mon now.. they are simple the best now! Aren't they?

dondk

I heard the remaining sections were released. Some okay, some still have people scratching their heads trying to understand who was negotiating for the pilots.

with the whole package out there, read closely and carefully. The date on one of the documents hint, if passed, Oct 1, 2009 is the effective date.

1forflying

The rest of the TA was released and get this - THERE ARE NO PAYRATES!!! Instead of having defined payrates, every year they take the industry average and apply them to us up to a maximum of 3%. We are completly dependant on what other carriers negotiate. Does anybody know of another carrier that has done this? Seems like a bad presidence to set. Have fun with this one guys.

dondk

Well, on one hand you will never be the bottom of the pack in pay. On the other hand it is unlikely you will ever be the leader in pay. The standard being set is a mid range pay comparative to your peers.

the downsides are no COLA adjustment, just a DOS increase of 1% to a maximum of 3%.

One way to look at it is there is no incentive to the "simply the best", the goal you should aim for is just average. If your peers are the best and compensated as such, you will reap the rewards from their efforts. Your compensation for the next X amount of years is completely dependent on your peers, nothing else.

If anything, this section only tells your peers management that they should not increase anyone's compensation. All pilots should be paid the same regardless of the work they do, compensation should only be based on how many pax the airframe can handle.