Airsupport

i know. when i saw that about the dead heads that was pretty good. i have had to go to dtw to do highspeeds and have had to sit in the hotel all day long to get the required rest and they wont release you. now i can call when i get back from my highspeed and if they dont have anything for me they have to release me and i can jump on the first flight home.

John Pennekamp

Having not yet seen your TA, I can't say for sure if its sum is below our contract, but I'm starting to get a feeling it is by a large bit.

You guys do what you think is best for you, but keep in mind you're going to lose a lot of respect from your peers if you do a Mesa and start a new race for the bottom.

detoilet

NO!! It only applies when your trip ends with the final leg as a DH to your domicile. If this is the case, then you can request to be deadheaded to your home airport.

Please read your TAs carefully!

Window_Seat

Did someone really negotiate this on your behalf? From the few details I have heard, this is still going to be one of the worst contracts in the industry if this gets voted in. Why wouldn't someone get 100% deadhead pay? I thought block or better is standard these days. Seems like it will be 10 more years before you can try to undue this again if this gets passed. Of course by then we will all have out 1000 PIC and be captains at majors Seems the market really likes the contract though, at least your shareholders will be happy. Don't sell yourselves short.

dondk

you really NEED to read between the lines. Not the words, but what it means... Jeez...

When you are NOT on company equipment you only get scheduled, not actual? so if you sit 2 hours for deice for a 60 min flight you get 60 min, not block which may be 3 hours.


the DHD language to home it is not what it appears to be for most. Example, Your last flight is MLI to a domicile. The company, upon pilot request AND pass agreement WHEN such transportation is available will move the pilot to their home airport.

So, if you reside in MIA, you better hope there is a direct flight from MLI to MIA on a DAL/DCI flight, otherwise it will be denied because it cannot be met. Does anyone really think given the choice of a MLI-MEM they will give up MLI-MIA? what pay do you get? since you are on duty do you get 75% from MLI to MIA or do you get MLI-MEM?
what happens if that flight home goes through a hub or focus city?
If you are pos space you are on duty, do you get per diem? Heck, what about duty limits? A DHD back to domicile will keep you within duty limits, what happens when your flight to "home" goes beyond duty limits? Under LOA 05-02 which had similar language, the double/triple connections either exceeded duty limits OR were against the pass agreement. If there is not a direct flight from last outstation to home, there are a lot of issues that would have to be addressed.

the "permitted by pass agreement" is the out for the company, that would need to be clarified CLEARLY before KNOWING you are getting a deal.

The only bang for the buck is on training events, because for the -200 guys you are in a hub, so the odds are in your favor of being pos space to your home. For the -900 guys, depending on where you live it may be worth while. You better pray your sims stays at hub, otherwise the training provision is worthless.

read between the lines, not the word. Ask what is the language NOT saying, that is where the company will be looking from.

cybourg10

Why can't your MEC go over the best sections of other ALPA contracts (XJT, AWAC, Eagle, ASA, Comair) and start from there? Now I have not seen it yet so I will hold back my final opinion but if it is not on par with the companies listed above you guys will lose a lot of respect with us. You do the same job we do, there is no reason why this TA shouldn't meet or exceed any of the other top regional contracts. Why on earth would you agree to anything less? You guys are going to set the benchmark for the new round of regional contracts. You have all the negotiating power you will ever get in your careers with the recent senate hearings, please raise the bar so the rest of us do not have to start negotiating from a lower level.

cybourg10

Exactly! You guys have so much leverage on this one it isn't even funny. It is like the stars all lined up in your favor. Maybe its time for the militant base to put out a "vote no" campaign?

dondk

the bar cannot be set higher by this agreement, the majority of the TA was set 3-4 years ago, only the last few sections were done this year. The only possible way would be to vote it down and redo those sections that are well below the bar. The price may be upwards of 2 years, will the industry/economy bounce back enough to have leverage for a leading contract in that time? Those "leading" contracts were all signed/TA'd when life was good. No one TA's ALL the sections on the last day, some were TA'd months or years before hand.

Know the process before losing respect. Much of this TA was done when majors were taking 25%+ concessionary cuts just to stay afloat. Most of the top regionals also took cuts during the time 9E was negotiating.

cybourg10

And after those cuts the other regional pilots are still significantly higher paid and working under a better contract, how do you explain that? If the majority of this TA was signed 3-4 years ago then it should be pretty good, 3-4 years ago life was good for regional airlines. Pinnacle can NOT have the business model centered around having cheaper labor than its competitors. I am very aware of the process, I am also aware of the reality of the situation and what you guys have going for you. I as well as many other regional pilots are rooting for the Pinnacle pilots. Wouldn't it be worth it to vote it down and redo the whole contract now that so many things have changed in the last 3-4 years?

Just out of curiosity, is the Pinnacle or Colgan MEC interested in merging the two lists? (I'm sure this has been discussed many times)

challenger

Again guys please read as i am no longer with the company i do not have access to airlinkpilots anymore. I would like to see it when some one posts it but from the sounds of it i would not be voting for it as a 3 year FO if i was still there