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Old 08-25-2009, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
9E guys- let's do the talking on airlinkpilots so management doesn't get a free show. Details will get released but let's keep things on our side of the fence for the first few days.

Also- please NO copy/paste from the company board of OTHER pilot's comments.
FYI, I GUARANTEE your management has "moles" on that forum who forward or print copies for them to read too. Keeping it there guarantees nothing... it just narrows the discussion to employees only.

When I was a union rep, we'd go to the GO and management officials would strategically place print outs from the union message board on their desk to be sure we saw them.
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:12 AM
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Why would they put out a TA for review when it's incomplete? Sections 2-3, 11, 25-28 are MISSING!! How can anyone form an opinion based on this. Come on! What's the deal.
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:27 AM
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Why would they put out a TA for review when it's incomplete? Sections 2-3, 11, 25-28 are MISSING!! How can anyone form an opinion based on this. Come on! What's the deal.
Language still being finalized in other sections I believe...They wanted to give us something to start sifting through...More than fair I think.
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:38 AM
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Language still being finalized in other sections I believe...They wanted to give us something to start sifting through...More than fair I think.
I would think that if a TA was agreed upon by both sides, the language would already be finalized. For example, payrates.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by weaseljet
I would think that if a TA was agreed upon by both sides, the language would already be finalized. For example, payrates.
Believe it or not many things still change.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:42 AM
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Believe it or not many things still change.
How can something change when it has already been agreed upon? Both sides can't agree on a TA, then change their interpretation of that agreement during publication. That makes it sound likes it wasn't final in the first place.

Let me recall the events:
1. TA agreed by both sides.
2. Review of Final language.
3. Vote by MEC.
4. Release for view by pilot group.
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:02 PM
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How can something change when it has already been agreed upon? Both sides can't agree on a TA, then change their interpretation of that agreement during publication. That makes it sound likes it wasn't final in the first place.

Let me recall the events:
1. TA agreed by both sides.
2. Review of Final language.
3. Vote by MEC.
4. Release for view by pilot group.
I believe thats one of several reasons its called a Tenative Agreement.
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
FYI, I GUARANTEE your management has "moles" on that forum who forward or print copies for them to read too. Keeping it there guarantees nothing... it just narrows the discussion to employees only.

When I was a union rep, we'd go to the GO and management officials would strategically place print outs from the union message board on their desk to be sure we saw them.
we have moles, not all were pilots though. Some were boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife that work in corporate and have the significant others password. A few months back we did get creative in IP tracking and shut down the easy access. Now if they want to access it, they still can, just not from their desktop computers. The handful of moles that actually came out when we shut them down was surprising, most had no idea we were watching and no idea they were doing some damage to the pilot group.

You are never going to have a bullet proof system, some moron will always think they are doing the right thing and nothing will ever convince them otherwise.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:53 PM
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As a mod on airlinkpilots I can tell you there are numerous blocked ip's and usernames in efforts to limit to ability of mgmt to watch our discussions.
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:37 PM
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so if 75% DH and Cancellation pay and block or better is the improvement, i have to ask what your current contract is on those subjects. i guess i took those things for granted because ASA had them in the 2002 contract
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