Pinnacles MEC passes the TA
08-24-2009, 12:06 PM
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Yes, The CA rep is currently under a recall vote, The FO rep is also a negotiator. I think MEM would be the most heated out of all three. DTW seems to be under control, ATL is all in one boat, and MSP is a split so it should be a balanced presentation IMO. I guess all we can do is wait and see the actual TA and the many many pages of message board "discussion" to follow.
08-24-2009, 01:06 PM
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08-24-2009, 01:17 PM
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I know their will be at least 1 FO stepping up to do it if nobody else is nominated. It's a high hope of mine that there are FO's who are on the outside looking in that want to get involved.
08-24-2009, 02:40 PM
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FWIW.... after all the years you have been in negotiations.... if the pilots vote this down... my personal belief is that the union should go to the NMB and have things declared an enpass.... with a 30 day cooling off period ... followed by a strike if no progress is made. A strike is the ONLY thing at this point that will get you something even close to what you should be looking to get. Five years is tooo long...if they were willing to pay more without the possibility of a strike they would have. Push for "self help" if this TA fails... and if it passes... you have no one to point the finger at but yourselves... good luck.
08-24-2009, 03:18 PM
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FWIW.... after all the years you have been in negotiations.... if the pilots vote this down... my personal belief is that the union should go to the NMB and have things declared an enpass.... with a 30 day cooling off period ... followed by a strike if no progress is made. A strike is the ONLY thing at this point that will get you something even close to what you should be looking to get. Five years is tooo long...if they were willing to pay more without the possibility of a strike they would have. Push for "self help" if this TA fails... and if it passes... you have no one to point the finger at but yourselves... good luck.
08-24-2009, 04:11 PM
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FWIW.... after all the years you have been in negotiations.... if the pilots vote this down... my personal belief is that the union should go to the NMB and have things declared an enpass.... with a 30 day cooling off period ... followed by a strike if no progress is made. A strike is the ONLY thing at this point that will get you something even close to what you should be looking to get. Five years is tooo long...if they were willing to pay more without the possibility of a strike they would have. Push for "self help" if this TA fails... and if it passes... you have no one to point the finger at but yourselves... good luck.
Therefore, if the union takes a protracted strike position, they lose airframes and jobs, if the company allows the strike to be protracted they lose the airframes business. Since DAL owns NWA, those -200 airframes are DAL and everyone knows there are enough DCI carriers that would kill to get more airframes at the expense of another DCI competitor.
I don't see a strike, too much to lose for both sides, especially with DCI decreasing schedules. NO one would win.
08-24-2009, 07:19 PM
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Expect an executive summary this week, language is still being finalized in some areas. These guys are working beyond hard to get this done- give em some slack. The signing bonus is still being worked on as well since the last w-2 method got sent out the door. Lots going on.
Last edited by higney85; 08-24-2009 at 07:19 PM. Reason: can;t speelll.
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