Pinnacles MEC passes the TA
08-24-2009, 03:36 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
31 an hour 2nd year is what many carriers are getting NOW... on contracts signed over 5 years ago........
08-24-2009, 05:44 AM
#93
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08-24-2009, 06:04 AM
#94
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Well I'm not upset at all and never will be. I knew what I was getting into. I would suspect that this is your first real job and expect you to be elsewhere when the industry starts to pick up. I suggest you get your PIC time and move on up. Did you get hired with low time or did you have 3000 hours? Not sure but I suspect you were a very low time guy? I really don't have to know your position to figue it out. What about Block or better? How about 75% deadhead pay you will receive. Weather you like it or not get a pay raise. I recommend you look real hard at what you are suggesting others to do by your hints. Wether you believe it or not thats what you are doing. Give it a rest and have fun looking at the TA. By the way Viagra didn't realize a guy at your age needed that? LOL! Just a little advice from someone who had a career pryer to this. I do agree the industry is a mess. Never seen anything like it. However it is one of easiest jobs I've ever had.
08-24-2009, 06:06 AM
#95
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Not at all. If anything I'm just a guy who likes money now versus later. I'm what you would call a realist. Sometimes I think pilots are real stupid. Just my opinion. I have been around a while and know that if it is pushed further everything could be lost and I don't want that to happen. Everyone has to wake up and smell the coffee. LOL! Any money you can get now is better than later, just pure economics 101. Not saying that it could be better, it sure could, but I'll take what I can get.
so a $2 raise now is better than a $4 raise we might get in 6 months that will have to last us for the next 10 years?
I've been around a while too and know that WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.
08-24-2009, 06:10 AM
#96
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Well I'm not upset at all and never will be. I knew what I was getting into. I would suspect that this is your first real job and expect you to be elsewhere when the industry starts to pick up. I suggest you get your PIC time and move on up. Did you get hired with low time or did you have 3000 hours? Not sure but I suspect you were a very low time guy? I really don't have to know your position to figue it out. What about Block or better? How about 75% deadhead pay you will receive. Weather you like it or not get a pay raise. I recommend you look real hard at what you are suggesting others to do by your hints. Wether you believe it or not thats what you are doing. Give it a rest and have fun looking at the TA. By the way Viagra didn't realize a guy at your age needed that? LOL! Just a little advice from someone who had a career pryer to this. I do agree the industry is a mess. Never seen anything like it. However it is one of easiest jobs I've ever had.
08-24-2009, 06:11 AM
#97
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Hey John,
Learn to read. I am not making any vielded threats just my observations. I think that both sides of the situation need to be looked at to make an accurate observation and decision. It is easy for those of us that do not have to live under the contract to say vote no including you.
Are there no downsides to voting no?
Reject the TA and the work may continue with both sides trying to get a deal done or the company can go back and offer true concessionary terms. Perfectly legal and by no means bargaining in bad faith at that point. If I were the company I would open all the sections of the contract that I am not happy with. Scheduling, pay rates etc..and offer exactly what they have now. I mean the pilots continue to have stellar performance for the company and the comapny gets to keep them at current book for another 2 years probably before the company will face a cooling off period. All specualtion of course but still a possiblity just like the company coming back to the table and offering more money if the TA is rejected by the pilot group. It's all fun and games until you have to act on all the pontification that happens on this board and literally put your money where your mouth is.
As to the rest of your comments about my flying I remember now why I had you on my ignore list. Time to put you back on it.
Speaking of threats, You making sure my name is in that little black book is laughable. Thanks for the good laugh. I can't wait. If you want PM me and I'll be sure to give you my name and you can start putting it down now. Have a nice day.
To those of you that have to vote on the TA. Good luck and don't worry about John. He'll go back to his hermit hole in a week or so.
Learn to read. I am not making any vielded threats just my observations. I think that both sides of the situation need to be looked at to make an accurate observation and decision. It is easy for those of us that do not have to live under the contract to say vote no including you.
Are there no downsides to voting no?
Reject the TA and the work may continue with both sides trying to get a deal done or the company can go back and offer true concessionary terms. Perfectly legal and by no means bargaining in bad faith at that point. If I were the company I would open all the sections of the contract that I am not happy with. Scheduling, pay rates etc..and offer exactly what they have now. I mean the pilots continue to have stellar performance for the company and the comapny gets to keep them at current book for another 2 years probably before the company will face a cooling off period. All specualtion of course but still a possiblity just like the company coming back to the table and offering more money if the TA is rejected by the pilot group. It's all fun and games until you have to act on all the pontification that happens on this board and literally put your money where your mouth is.
As to the rest of your comments about my flying I remember now why I had you on my ignore list. Time to put you back on it.
Speaking of threats, You making sure my name is in that little black book is laughable. Thanks for the good laugh. I can't wait. If you want PM me and I'll be sure to give you my name and you can start putting it down now. Have a nice day.
To those of you that have to vote on the TA. Good luck and don't worry about John. He'll go back to his hermit hole in a week or so.
You prove that you know NOTHING about bargaining under Section VI or the RLA. Once a section is TA'd you can't just open it and offer something regressive. That IS the definition of bad faith bargaining.
No just go back to ignoring me. I'm not going anywhere though.
08-24-2009, 06:20 AM
#98
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Speaking of threats, You making sure my name is in that little black book is laughable. Thanks for the good laugh. I can't wait. If you want PM me and I'll be sure to give you my name and you can start putting it down now. Have a nice day.
To those of you that have to vote on the TA. Good luck and don't worry about John. He'll go back to his hermit hole in a week or so.
08-24-2009, 06:38 AM
#99
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My fear is that we reject this, and it takes 2 more years to get a new TA. The money lost over the next 2 years won't make up for another $1 an hour.
Signing bonuses never make up for $ lost.
Higney, it looks like the company wants us to have a new contract (new RFP's?). How long do you think it would take to get a new TA?
Signing bonuses never make up for $ lost.
Higney, it looks like the company wants us to have a new contract (new RFP's?). How long do you think it would take to get a new TA?
08-24-2009, 06:41 AM
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Hades will freeze over first John.
Second,
It is not regressive or bad faith bargaining that once a TA is rejected by a pilot group to open up any and all sections. All past precedents cannot be used by either side to show regressive positioning by the other side. While not widely used it is plausible.
Admit your wrong and maybe Hades will start to freeze. But you first.
Second,
It is not regressive or bad faith bargaining that once a TA is rejected by a pilot group to open up any and all sections. All past precedents cannot be used by either side to show regressive positioning by the other side. While not widely used it is plausible.
Admit your wrong and maybe Hades will start to freeze. But you first.
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