TrojanUSC

Are you going to be joining us on our new seniority list or are you going to quit?

TrojanUSC

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA God you need to get a life Xtreme.

MD80

Until I find something better.

Joachim

You know, our union reps are saying things like:

"heavily weighing career expectations from a pre-merger standpoint."

" On the books, with the airplanes on order and the options available all persons on furlough from each group should be back to work when all is said and done, and that takes into account the 717’s and some CRJ/135/145’s being parked."

When all is said and done you might be in an E190 or A319 making decent money on a brand new contract. You know what, I would be happy to see that happen. I do not feel that I am entitled to more than you and i will vote on a solution that takes your previous experience and invested time into account. However, the more you insult my(our) coworkers, the less sympathetic i get. If i were you i would try to work with and not against your future collegues.

pjflyer

Using a statement like "picket line" when talking about this merger is completely unfair and frankly is immature. How can someone with so much experience in this industry be so out of tune with the current situation at RAH. The midwest buyout was just completed recently and the Teamster's are working hard to get an integration before all the 717's are gone. These forums should be Midwest pilots complaining about how terribly they were treated by THEIR management over the last year and how they were sold out by their company. It has NOTHING to do with the pilots at RAH! The furlough's at Midwest happened long before the introduction of E170's in MKE when the MD-80's were removed and 717's were sold to Mexico. RAH's pilots want the best for all involved and a master seniority list, period. No pilot crossed any line at any time! Several RAH pilot's even attended the protest's at MKE in support of the Midwest pilots. I have been a shareholder with Midwest my entire life and I have seen the airline fall apart over the last few years. RAH is hoping to benefit from the wonderful crews at Midwest and what they bring to our organization. I hope they feel the same way. The only other option for Midwest would have been Chapter 7 and no jobs. The talk now is all jobs back, integrated seniority list, and with everyone's help a great new contract. Stop the bashing, start supporting the cause or quit and let someone come back who is positive and needs the job.

likeitis

Hard to do this when the your facts aren't correct. There were a small amount of furloughes prior to the 170's anouncement. The majority of the furloughs were a direct result of RAH replacment flying. If you look back you will realize that BB was already in cahoots with TPG and Midwest management at the time of the 170 announcement. You and no one else can say that chapter 7 was the only option.

Joachim

Again, the important thing is to work toghether and get you and the F9 guys off the street and in an airplane ASAP! We want you to benefit from this. Management would like nothing more that a split labor group they can play out against each other. Don't let that happen, work with us. Thats all we can do as labor groups.

pjflyer

I can say it was the only option because I have followed YX since the beginning and have seen the company go through it's fair share of financial problem's and poor decisions over the last 5 years. Choosing the 717 over the A319, keeping the MD-80's to long just to name a couple. So you and others feel that the RAH pilots should of refused the E170 flying for YX, is that correct? If that is true, should all regional carriers refuse to fly CRJ700 and 900's for mainline partner's to protect the future of legacy flying? YX choose to award the flying to RAH to save money, the pilots of RAH did not vote or choose to take ANY job's away from Midwest crews. TPG and Midwest management wanted this, not RAH pilot group. Now it's up to us to make everyone happy! Hoeksema can go back to Pine Lake and relax as the pilots at RAH take all the blame, how sad!

ToiletDuck

The majority of the furloughs were not as a direct result of RAH by any means. The furloughs of which you speak were from the company falling through on negotiations with Boeing over the lease rates on the 717s. Boeing finally came back to the table and said "no thanks we'll send those aircraft elsewhere". Now with their pants around their ankles midwest management went to RAH looking for aircraft to lease since there were 17(?) of them parked in PIT. Midwest told the pilot group they'd be flying those aircraft which was an illegal action against the RAH contract which stipulated that any aircraft owned by RAH must be flown by RAH pilots. With the additional 717s leaving the fleet and no money to acquire new aircraft and continue operations, couldn't pay any bills including Skywest, Midwest was on the verge of closing it's doors. With no assets, no cash, and a lot of debt the company was unable to survive. With an already vested interest Republic Holdings, a Holdings company, decided to try and salvage something from the deal. With minimal investment the structure of the airline was purchased. I don't really see anyplace where it was up to the RAH pilots other than making sure their contract was enforced. I don't remember anyone being supportive when our aircraft were trying to be flown without our pilots. In the grand scheme of things I guess everyone has a sense of self preservation. I don't understand why MD80 and others feel I'm an enemy because I didn't protest their management for being unsuccessful in breaching my contract. I don't understand why I keep hearing I owe him something or am a scab because our contract was enforced with our company.

likeitis

I don't believe you should have refused the flying at all. I'm saying that we need to get our history correct if we are going to do the integration. If this ends up being 100 YX guys ratioed somehow and 300 stapled it will just gives management's a playbook on how to once again degrade our profession. It's pretty obvious now that BB used the past year's strategy to lower his costs by purposefully lowering the YX's pilot potential in an integration. I think the "snapshot" should be determined by the time the Rev. got his filthy hands on dictating plans for YX. My best guess is somewhere around June-August 2008. If we don't whose to say that another airline won't buy Republic in 3 years but they really were pulling the strings prior and replacing republics aircraft with new crews and then the magical announcement is made when 75% of the pilots have been furloughed. Just another way management cheapens the profession.