Republic
08-19-2009, 04:24 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: E170/175 CA
Posts: 334
I am not trying to be defeatist. The truth is this company WAS a stepping stone, not a career destination. Our current CBA reflects that, especially when it comes to retirement benefits. New contracts are improvements upon the old, and unfortunately, we don't have much to begin with. It will interesting to see what value our NC places on this topic compared to other areas in need of improvement such as overall pay, FO pay, rigs, cancellation pay, etc. My GUESS is that our NC will accept an increase in 401k match and move on.
08-19-2009, 04:27 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: sitting at computer keyboard
Posts: 135
(1) It was a stepping stone and now I've moved on ...
or
(2) Now that there are mainline aircraft in the fold Republic is no longer just a stepping stone but can be considered a career destination?
08-19-2009, 04:47 PM
#63
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: none ya...
Posts: 1,154
Here is a simple observation, that I hope some people will swallow their pride and realize how they are being used....
Many are saying that Bedford wants to keep the lists seperate so he can whipsaw the Pilot Groups, but wake Up F9. He doesnt need to whipsaw you. Some of your guys have done a good job yourselves, since the day it was announced, with the way you have treated the pilot group at RAH. Now hopefully youll give them a chance and see if both groups can work together, but from some of the garbage i've been seeing posted here lately I'm not sure yet.........
Please F9 prove this wrong, I had once hoped to work for your outfit oneday, and I think their are still plenty of level heads at F9 that can and will work with the RAH group to make it better for all...
Many are saying that Bedford wants to keep the lists seperate so he can whipsaw the Pilot Groups, but wake Up F9. He doesnt need to whipsaw you. Some of your guys have done a good job yourselves, since the day it was announced, with the way you have treated the pilot group at RAH. Now hopefully youll give them a chance and see if both groups can work together, but from some of the garbage i've been seeing posted here lately I'm not sure yet.........
Please F9 prove this wrong, I had once hoped to work for your outfit oneday, and I think their are still plenty of level heads at F9 that can and will work with the RAH group to make it better for all...
08-19-2009, 05:02 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 57
Pilots should be dealing with pilots and hammer out a fair deal. If the new Republic is going to be worth working at Republic, Midwest and Frontier pilots have to...
1. Merge everyone on one seniority list
2. Review scope language for any loop holes
3. Integrate in a fair way so the working enviroment will be good.
NO ONE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO GAIN ANYTHING IN THE FIRST YEAR
4. Improve the pay for the E190 and for FOs (the top FO pay is criminal)
5. Improve retirement funding
6. Keep the unions and attorneys out of it
1. Merge everyone on one seniority list
2. Review scope language for any loop holes
3. Integrate in a fair way so the working enviroment will be good.
NO ONE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO GAIN ANYTHING IN THE FIRST YEAR
4. Improve the pay for the E190 and for FOs (the top FO pay is criminal)
5. Improve retirement funding
6. Keep the unions and attorneys out of it
It would be great if every detail in integrating 4 airlines into an existing 3 airline seniority list was sorted out in the time it took me to type this post but in the real world it doesn't happen like that.
08-19-2009, 05:30 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: Captain CR7/CR9
Posts: 104
I'm brought to tears that you are willing to do what the law is forcing you to do. In fact you aren't doing it. Your embarassment to the profession of a union has given the middle finger to the YX MEC. It's been almost a year and not one sign of support from your group. Things like this don't happen by accident. It's a sign of the morality of the group. The ultimate sign of your groups integrity is what happened to your union leadership and said union is still your representative. Christ the AirTran pilots had their old union bring them a crappy TA and they threw them out.
08-19-2009, 06:09 PM
#67
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 40
I am have not kept up with the unfolding saga and I have no dog in this fight but I do have a question. Have YX ever expressed anything but vitriol toward the RAH group? I seriously do not know. Has RAH been considered then enemy from the start of this? This is a serious question. I would really like to know.
We have been considered the enemy and its interesting how some think as if we get together and make these decisions ourselves. I also hear alot about our contract as if most of us really had anything to do with it. We went from a company similar in size to Colgan to where we are right now in just a matter of a few years. That contract was also one of the first non-concessionary contracts to be signed in after 9/11. Either way people need to realize it may not seem like anything is happening from the outside looking in but I assure you that things are being worked on to fix the deficiencys. Do I honestly believe we will get JetBlue rates? Probably not... But they will be a huge improvement to where they are right now and it won't be anything to be ashamed of.I haven't spoken to or crossed paths with any of the YX pilots in person but from what I have heard they have been nothing but friendly, however I haven't seen that on the message boards but I hope the "vocal minority" may come into play. Makes it kinda tough to want to lend a hand and "take one for the older guys" regarding my QOL and seniority when everytime someone posts something on here it is nothing but insults and venom. But either way life goes on and we can't do anything but try to make it better.
08-19-2009, 06:46 PM
#68
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: E170/175 CA
Posts: 334
option 2. It may not be a choice career destination, but for those of us who ended up on the RAH list, this may be the final stop before the insane asylum.
08-19-2009, 07:41 PM
#70
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Captain 121
Posts: 103
It was so good, I had to post it for the 35...
I find it fascinating that 35 of the same people repeatedly post over and over and over here, like someone out there in the jumpseat world is going to turn around and say "hey, aren't you that dashing dude with the slick username on APC that posts such blithe hatred for XYZ airlines?" Its almost like this is the Computer Club that sits around after school at mom's house drinking Kool-Aid discussing how they are going to kill the prom king and queen and rule the school.
I really am amazed at what I read here from time to time. I have never heard such vitriol coming from people here that chose the wrong door in "Let's Make a Deal" (Google it if you are under 30). Life is your oyster guys. The pearl you create is up to you. If you don't like the decision you made when you signed on at Comair, Skywest, Republic, Frontier, Southwest, Delta, NW, Continental, etc...get the hell out of the industry. You create the world you live in. No amount of whining or complaining is going to do anything but bring your life more misery and keep you locked in the WC of your dreams. And by the way, no opinion you read here, is going to affect the way a captain at another airline is going to view you when you come down the jet bridge. You behave like a mature person who enjoys life and doors will open anywhere.
This has been proven over and over again in life. Your core beliefs, like "RAH is evil", "Southwest is a military base", "American Airlines is a mortuary", etc...only keeps you locked into your diseased view of the world. The day you change these core beliefs (fantasies actually) is the day you start enjoying your flying life. When it all comes down to it; the day you hang up your wings, none of this bickering will have solved a thing...ever.
When is it going to dawn on you that "Airlinepilotforums.com Regional Forum Causes Bedford to Re-Evaluate Plan to Rule the World" the newspaper headline, will never be printed? Probably the day you turn 35. Time will tell.
I really am amazed at what I read here from time to time. I have never heard such vitriol coming from people here that chose the wrong door in "Let's Make a Deal" (Google it if you are under 30). Life is your oyster guys. The pearl you create is up to you. If you don't like the decision you made when you signed on at Comair, Skywest, Republic, Frontier, Southwest, Delta, NW, Continental, etc...get the hell out of the industry. You create the world you live in. No amount of whining or complaining is going to do anything but bring your life more misery and keep you locked in the WC of your dreams. And by the way, no opinion you read here, is going to affect the way a captain at another airline is going to view you when you come down the jet bridge. You behave like a mature person who enjoys life and doors will open anywhere.
This has been proven over and over again in life. Your core beliefs, like "RAH is evil", "Southwest is a military base", "American Airlines is a mortuary", etc...only keeps you locked into your diseased view of the world. The day you change these core beliefs (fantasies actually) is the day you start enjoying your flying life. When it all comes down to it; the day you hang up your wings, none of this bickering will have solved a thing...ever.
When is it going to dawn on you that "Airlinepilotforums.com Regional Forum Causes Bedford to Re-Evaluate Plan to Rule the World" the newspaper headline, will never be printed? Probably the day you turn 35. Time will tell.
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