Republic
08-19-2009, 05:21 AM
#31
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: None right now
Posts: 65
I find it fascinating that 35 of the same people repeatedly post over and over and over here, like someone out there in the jumpseat world is going to turn around and say "hey, aren't you that dashing dude with the slick username on APC that posts such blithe hatred for XYZ airlines?" Its almost like this is the Computer Club that sits around after school at mom's house drinking Kool-Aid discussing how they are going to kill the prom king and queen and rule the school.
I really am amazed at what I read here from time to time. I have never heard such vitriol coming from people here that chose the wrong door in "Let's Make a Deal" (Google it if you are under 30). Life is your oyster guys. The pearl you create is up to you. If you don't like the decision you made when you signed on at Comair, Skywest, Republic, Frontier, Southwest, Delta, NW, Continental, etc...get the hell out of the industry. You create the world you live in. No amount of whining or complaining is going to do anything but bring your life more misery and keep you locked in the WC of your dreams. And by the way, no opinion you read here, is going to affect the way a captain at another airline is going to view you when you come down the jet bridge. You behave like a mature person who enjoys life and doors will open anywhere.
This has been proven over and over again in life. Your core beliefs, like "RAH is evil", "Southwest is a military base", "American Airlines is a mortuary", etc...only keeps you locked into your diseased view of the world. The day you change these core beliefs (fantasies actually) is the day you start enjoying your flying life. When it all comes down to it; the day you hang up your wings, none of this bickering will have solved a thing...ever.
When is it going to dawn on you that "Airlinepilotforums.com Regional Forum Causes Bedford to Re-Evaluate Plan to Rule the World" the newspaper headline, will never be printed? Probably the day you turn 35. Time will tell.
I really am amazed at what I read here from time to time. I have never heard such vitriol coming from people here that chose the wrong door in "Let's Make a Deal" (Google it if you are under 30). Life is your oyster guys. The pearl you create is up to you. If you don't like the decision you made when you signed on at Comair, Skywest, Republic, Frontier, Southwest, Delta, NW, Continental, etc...get the hell out of the industry. You create the world you live in. No amount of whining or complaining is going to do anything but bring your life more misery and keep you locked in the WC of your dreams. And by the way, no opinion you read here, is going to affect the way a captain at another airline is going to view you when you come down the jet bridge. You behave like a mature person who enjoys life and doors will open anywhere.
This has been proven over and over again in life. Your core beliefs, like "RAH is evil", "Southwest is a military base", "American Airlines is a mortuary", etc...only keeps you locked into your diseased view of the world. The day you change these core beliefs (fantasies actually) is the day you start enjoying your flying life. When it all comes down to it; the day you hang up your wings, none of this bickering will have solved a thing...ever.
When is it going to dawn on you that "Airlinepilotforums.com Regional Forum Causes Bedford to Re-Evaluate Plan to Rule the World" the newspaper headline, will never be printed? Probably the day you turn 35. Time will tell.
08-19-2009, 05:32 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: none ya...
Posts: 1,154
I find it fascinating that 35 of the same people repeatedly post over and over and over here, like someone out there in the jumpseat world is going to turn around and say "hey, aren't you that dashing dude with the slick username on APC that posts such blithe hatred for XYZ airlines?" Its almost like this is the Computer Club that sits around after school at mom's house drinking Kool-Aid discussing how they are going to kill the prom king and queen and rule the school.
I really am amazed at what I read here from time to time. I have never heard such vitriol coming from people here that chose the wrong door in "Let's Make a Deal" (Google it if you are under 30). Life is your oyster guys. The pearl you create is up to you. If you don't like the decision you made when you signed on at Comair, Skywest, Republic, Frontier, Southwest, Delta, NW, Continental, etc...get the hell out of the industry. You create the world you live in. No amount of whining or complaining is going to do anything but bring your life more misery and keep you locked in the WC of your dreams. And by the way, no opinion you read here, is going to affect the way a captain at another airline is going to view you when you come down the jet bridge. You behave like a mature person who enjoys life and doors will open anywhere.
This has been proven over and over again in life. Your core beliefs, like "RAH is evil", "Southwest is a military base", "American Airlines is a mortuary", etc...only keeps you locked into your diseased view of the world. The day you change these core beliefs (fantasies actually) is the day you start enjoying your flying life. When it all comes down to it; the day you hang up your wings, none of this bickering will have solved a thing...ever.
When is it going to dawn on you that "Airlinepilotforums.com Regional Forum Causes Bedford to Re-Evaluate Plan to Rule the World" the newspaper headline, will never be printed? Probably the day you turn 35. Time will tell.
I really am amazed at what I read here from time to time. I have never heard such vitriol coming from people here that chose the wrong door in "Let's Make a Deal" (Google it if you are under 30). Life is your oyster guys. The pearl you create is up to you. If you don't like the decision you made when you signed on at Comair, Skywest, Republic, Frontier, Southwest, Delta, NW, Continental, etc...get the hell out of the industry. You create the world you live in. No amount of whining or complaining is going to do anything but bring your life more misery and keep you locked in the WC of your dreams. And by the way, no opinion you read here, is going to affect the way a captain at another airline is going to view you when you come down the jet bridge. You behave like a mature person who enjoys life and doors will open anywhere.
This has been proven over and over again in life. Your core beliefs, like "RAH is evil", "Southwest is a military base", "American Airlines is a mortuary", etc...only keeps you locked into your diseased view of the world. The day you change these core beliefs (fantasies actually) is the day you start enjoying your flying life. When it all comes down to it; the day you hang up your wings, none of this bickering will have solved a thing...ever.
When is it going to dawn on you that "Airlinepilotforums.com Regional Forum Causes Bedford to Re-Evaluate Plan to Rule the World" the newspaper headline, will never be printed? Probably the day you turn 35. Time will tell.
Great Post, if only some would follow this sage advice...The thing that drives me nuts its over the last year I have yet to find any 1 airline that some under 30 "APC-er" doesnt think is ruining, psuedo-scabbing (that one really makes me shake my head), bringing down, stealing, or just plain evil empire...etc etc etc....
One day I believe that most ( not all ) but most finally figure out in life that You get out of it exactly what you put into it..
08-19-2009, 06:31 AM
#33
Tuk er jerbs!
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B747 Left
Posts: 1,342
Whenever you're flying your big ol' jet, just look down and to the right when you're in BOS sometime. See that little ol' 402? Yeah, think about the fact that his paycheck is significantly bigger than yours, and you're carrying 3-1/2 times his weight in fuel.
It's alright though, you're flying a REAL AIRLINER. WOOOO!
08-19-2009, 07:01 AM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 798
Dude, I've walked the picket line. Do you remember seeing picket lines in MKE? Republic pilot are being used to undermine the Midwest pilot union during contract negotiations! This is not another "connect" contract. The Midwest pilots can't legally strike.
I understand you have to fly your trips, but show me one thing your membership is doing to support the Midwest pilots?
Maybe we can't call you scabs, but you are being used as "virtual scabs" and bragging about it. Show me something right, moral, supportive, positive, professional about how your pilot group in handling the Midwest flying...
... letters from your MEC to the Midwest membership
... pictures of your members picketing with the Midwest guys
... a letter from your MEC to BB supporting Midwest pilots
08-19-2009, 07:24 AM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 661
Come on guys listen to yourselves....
First, I agree that the "s" word is being used a little too freely, but let’s get some facts straight.
A scab is a pilot who intentionally crosses the picket line (or is hired) during a strike, ignoring all unity towards their fellow pilots. Their reasoning can be many things, fear of job loss, paycheck, career ect., or just their desperation to get a job by dismissing all integrity. By doing this, these pilots are usually agreeing to work for cheaper rates/worse work rules/ect just to either obtain or keep a job.
Republic is coming in and replacing these carriers with cheaper rates, lower paid pilots, and more efficient equipment. What they are doing has many characteristics of the "s" word, but their pilots are not the scabs, it’s the management. Now, pilots who get hired on after this takes place you could possibly consider in this category, but the current pilots are simply continuing to work for a paycheck. I've been extremely bitter about this situation for a long time, and I agree it is nothing but WRONG. Recently however I've been asking myself, what do I want republic pilots to do, quit?
Now, if they bend over and take it in the A** during negotiations, don't obtain better pay rates, and allow their BSJS (Big SJS) to be enough to continue working for this miserable pay, then they may be begin to approach this category. I really hope they step up and get the pay they deserve. But again lets be clear, Republic may be becoming a scab company, but the pilots didn't "cross the line" in my eyes, the management did by displaying no regard for this profession. If Republic management is so quick to throw other pilots under the bus, don't be so sure they won't throw their own pilots under the bus at the drop of a hat.
First, I agree that the "s" word is being used a little too freely, but let’s get some facts straight.
A scab is a pilot who intentionally crosses the picket line (or is hired) during a strike, ignoring all unity towards their fellow pilots. Their reasoning can be many things, fear of job loss, paycheck, career ect., or just their desperation to get a job by dismissing all integrity. By doing this, these pilots are usually agreeing to work for cheaper rates/worse work rules/ect just to either obtain or keep a job.
Republic is coming in and replacing these carriers with cheaper rates, lower paid pilots, and more efficient equipment. What they are doing has many characteristics of the "s" word, but their pilots are not the scabs, it’s the management. Now, pilots who get hired on after this takes place you could possibly consider in this category, but the current pilots are simply continuing to work for a paycheck. I've been extremely bitter about this situation for a long time, and I agree it is nothing but WRONG. Recently however I've been asking myself, what do I want republic pilots to do, quit?
Now, if they bend over and take it in the A** during negotiations, don't obtain better pay rates, and allow their BSJS (Big SJS) to be enough to continue working for this miserable pay, then they may be begin to approach this category. I really hope they step up and get the pay they deserve. But again lets be clear, Republic may be becoming a scab company, but the pilots didn't "cross the line" in my eyes, the management did by displaying no regard for this profession. If Republic management is so quick to throw other pilots under the bus, don't be so sure they won't throw their own pilots under the bus at the drop of a hat.
08-19-2009, 07:28 AM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 661
Dude, I've walked the picket line. Do you remember seeing picket lines in MKE? Republic pilot are being used to undermine the Midwest pilot union during contract negotiations! This is not another "connect" contract. The Midwest pilots can't legally strike.
I understand you have to fly your trips, but show me one thing your membership is doing to support the Midwest pilots?
Maybe we can't call you scabs, but you are being used as "virtual scabs" and bragging about it. Show me something right, moral, supportive, positive, professional about how your pilot group in handling the Midwest flying...
... letters from your MEC to the Midwest membership
... pictures of your members picketing with the Midwest guys
... a letter from your MEC to BB supporting Midwest pilots
I understand you have to fly your trips, but show me one thing your membership is doing to support the Midwest pilots?
Maybe we can't call you scabs, but you are being used as "virtual scabs" and bragging about it. Show me something right, moral, supportive, positive, professional about how your pilot group in handling the Midwest flying...
... letters from your MEC to the Midwest membership
... pictures of your members picketing with the Midwest guys
... a letter from your MEC to BB supporting Midwest pilots
I couldn't agree more. If Republic pilots make no effort to show unity towards their fellow pilots being effected, then they are throwing out all dignity and respect in my opinion. Thats like killing your friend, getting away with it, and then showing up at the funeral just to spit on their grave.
08-19-2009, 07:49 AM
#39
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Show your support Republic. Full integration for all 400 Midwest pilots. Not just the pilots that were on the property when Republic bought Midwest. That's BS.
08-19-2009, 07:53 AM
#40
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 661
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