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08-18-2009, 05:24 PM
#11
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... There is a new federal law requiring "Fair and Equitable" integration of seniority lists.
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- Fence F9 so all F9 FO's can upgrade into airbii (satisfies the integration law)
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If you any of you RAH types think YOU should upgrade ahead of a 7-year F9 FO, you need to be slapped silly. Ya'll should just sit down shut up and hope like heck that F9 payscales make into your contract, and not vice-versa.
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- Fence F9 so all F9 FO's can upgrade into airbii (satisfies the integration law)
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If you any of you RAH types think YOU should upgrade ahead of a 7-year F9 FO, you need to be slapped silly. Ya'll should just sit down shut up and hope like heck that F9 payscales make into your contract, and not vice-versa.
I would say if you let all F9 FOs to upgrade first won't that violate the law you just mentioned? (I'm not for or against either, I'm just asking y'alls opinion).
How do you expect any Republic pilot to find that solution "Fair and Equitable"? I guess since they're 'regional' pilots they should just sit down and shut up? Is that your reasoning? I don't know what the solution should or will be but I'm not sure any judge would agree with your reasoning here...
Totally off the subject - why do you and people in general say Airbii when speaking of Airbus in plural? Is that the correct way of saying it? ( I ask because I don't know)
After all, we have 1 bus and 2 busses so why is it 1 Airbus and 2 Airbii???
I always wondered about that?
08-18-2009, 05:27 PM
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Delta on the other hand, is not the suprised spouse either, as it were. I'm sure we would have heard from DL by now if they were all that bothered by RAH actions. After all they tried to do away with Freedom for delayed flights. I'm sure this is a much much more aggregious offense. And yet...silence. Delta's in bed with RAH, no doubt about it.
And just one more thing, Republic has no intentions of branding itself Republic. So all the passengers who are supposedly shying from the tiny carriers will have the opportunity to continue flying "mainline household names" like Midwest and Frontier.
And just one more thing, Republic has no intentions of branding itself Republic. So all the passengers who are supposedly shying from the tiny carriers will have the opportunity to continue flying "mainline household names" like Midwest and Frontier.
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08-18-2009, 05:33 PM
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So.....do many RAH pilots beleive that a years of service credit should be applied in the RAH-F9-Midwes-Lynx integratioin?
If that logic is true, then a pilot at F9 should count all years of service at prior flying jobs...right? Should a RAH pilot also count years of service as a flight instructor prior to being employed at RAH as a FO?
Should the integration be done by total flying hours each pilot has?
Should the integration be done by age?
If that logic is true, then a pilot at F9 should count all years of service at prior flying jobs...right? Should a RAH pilot also count years of service as a flight instructor prior to being employed at RAH as a FO?
Should the integration be done by total flying hours each pilot has?
Should the integration be done by age?
08-18-2009, 05:54 PM
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But hey, good luck with your dream. Just remember, the harder they come, the harder they fall.
08-18-2009, 06:31 PM
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I keep hearing about all this jazz about united and delta pulling contracts from RAH cause of competition. Its not going to happen.
a. Its a contract (can be broken various ways but i doubt there is a clause that covers if one of the parties involved buys an airline to compete with the other.)
b. BB is not that stupid, he would never bite the hand that feeds him....not yet at least. yeah you may not like him, but i think he knows how to run an airline.
c. Have any of you ever thought that there might be a little cahooting going on here. You think its possible that Delta and or United gave RAH their blessing in purchasing Midwest and Frontier to compete with good ole Southwest.
Because unless you've been in a box for 20 years. you might notice that WN has been handing the legacies arses to them. Maybe just maybe they, (Delta, United) would consider it advantageous for some of their partners to compete with southwest to run them out, or loose some market share of markets here and there. WN has been strong for a long while. But their fuel hedges are coming to an end. DEN isnt working like they planned and all in all loads are down system wide. I believe RAHs mainline codeshares would appreciate a little competetion if they could be on the side of the one who throws a blow at their main competition. Then again WN could almost buy Rjet for what they were willing to bid for F9. Lets wait and see.
a. Its a contract (can be broken various ways but i doubt there is a clause that covers if one of the parties involved buys an airline to compete with the other.)
b. BB is not that stupid, he would never bite the hand that feeds him....not yet at least. yeah you may not like him, but i think he knows how to run an airline.
c. Have any of you ever thought that there might be a little cahooting going on here. You think its possible that Delta and or United gave RAH their blessing in purchasing Midwest and Frontier to compete with good ole Southwest.
Because unless you've been in a box for 20 years. you might notice that WN has been handing the legacies arses to them. Maybe just maybe they, (Delta, United) would consider it advantageous for some of their partners to compete with southwest to run them out, or loose some market share of markets here and there. WN has been strong for a long while. But their fuel hedges are coming to an end. DEN isnt working like they planned and all in all loads are down system wide. I believe RAHs mainline codeshares would appreciate a little competetion if they could be on the side of the one who throws a blow at their main competition. Then again WN could almost buy Rjet for what they were willing to bid for F9. Lets wait and see.
08-18-2009, 07:02 PM
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Surely, Surely the glaring differences between XJT, ACA, and RAH are extremely noticable even to the most uninformed pilots among us. As it has been said many times before, and I'm sure it will be disregarded even as I say it, because people long for history to repeat itself and for another "branded regional" particularly RAH to fail. Unfortunately for those naysayers among us, history is not being repeated simply because no "regional airline" has done what RAH is attempting to do. They have the brand, they have the name recognition, they have the planes, pilots, ground staff, marketing, and customer base. They have fare structure, route structure, and fuel hedges. They know their landing fees, airport fees, security fees. There are no suprises coming to Republic. What Bedford isnt familiar with, Menke is. What Heller doesnt know, someone in Denver does. What RAH is doing is unprecedented regardless of what you say. Show me a time where a regional airline has ever attempted such an undertaking.
As to United and Delta...most assume that UA is angry and DL is livid. If you were United, what would you rather do...Leave RAH to fend of your biggest threat in DEN (Southwest) or cancel Shuttles contract and automatically have RAH with 36 170's at their immediate disposal to paint in F9 colors and parade out of DEN? Almost effectively doubling Frontiers presence instantaneously? And lets not kidd ourselves, United isnt in a position to leverage a baked potato, not to mention enter a fare war to out price F9 AND Southwest.
Delta on the other hand, is not the suprised spouse either, as it were. I'm sure we would have heard from DL by now if they were all that bothered by RAH actions. After all they tried to do away with Freedom for delayed flights. I'm sure this is a much much more aggregious offense. And yet...silence. Delta's in bed with RAH, no doubt about it.
And just one more thing, Republic has no intentions of branding itself Republic. So all the passengers who are supposedly shying from the tiny carriers will have the opportunity to continue flying "mainline household names" like Midwest and Frontier.
As to United and Delta...most assume that UA is angry and DL is livid. If you were United, what would you rather do...Leave RAH to fend of your biggest threat in DEN (Southwest) or cancel Shuttles contract and automatically have RAH with 36 170's at their immediate disposal to paint in F9 colors and parade out of DEN? Almost effectively doubling Frontiers presence instantaneously? And lets not kidd ourselves, United isnt in a position to leverage a baked potato, not to mention enter a fare war to out price F9 AND Southwest.
Delta on the other hand, is not the suprised spouse either, as it were. I'm sure we would have heard from DL by now if they were all that bothered by RAH actions. After all they tried to do away with Freedom for delayed flights. I'm sure this is a much much more aggregious offense. And yet...silence. Delta's in bed with RAH, no doubt about it.
And just one more thing, Republic has no intentions of branding itself Republic. So all the passengers who are supposedly shying from the tiny carriers will have the opportunity to continue flying "mainline household names" like Midwest and Frontier.
08-18-2009, 07:10 PM
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