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08-21-2009, 10:50 AM
#121
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I'm not silver yet, but sometimes feel like it. If you read a little farther down is what everybody has their panties bunched about.
“Expediency”
The only pilot groups not to have pilots on furlough is Mokulele and Lynx. Midwest will have another 41 pilots on furlough September 1st, with all of their pilots on the street by December 15th. Furloughed pilots from Midwest and Frontier cannot bid for an open slot until they are on the RAH Seniority List. However, for integration purposes, pilots who were active at the time of acquisition will be considered active for the Master Seniority List. It is the resolve of all Integration Committees to get this completed as quickly as possible so we can begin to get all of our furloughees back on property.
So what about the guys that have been there 15 years plus and now are on the street, behind the 1 year RAH fo?
“Expediency”
The only pilot groups not to have pilots on furlough is Mokulele and Lynx. Midwest will have another 41 pilots on furlough September 1st, with all of their pilots on the street by December 15th. Furloughed pilots from Midwest and Frontier cannot bid for an open slot until they are on the RAH Seniority List. However, for integration purposes, pilots who were active at the time of acquisition will be considered active for the Master Seniority List. It is the resolve of all Integration Committees to get this completed as quickly as possible so we can begin to get all of our furloughees back on property.
So what about the guys that have been there 15 years plus and now are on the street, behind the 1 year RAH fo?
08-21-2009, 11:14 AM
#122
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Obviously some things have to be left to interpretation and negotiation which is why the process isn't automatic. However, you can't say that the above scenario is fair nor equittable. I do not care who you are. Simply talking to my coworkers confirms that they share my view. Straight DOH probably won't happen either.
I have not seen one YX pilot ask for or expect DOH, however can you guys at RAH say no one is looking to staple most or all YX pilots.
08-21-2009, 11:25 AM
#123
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what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloghed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloghed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.
08-21-2009, 11:42 AM
#124
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what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloghed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloghed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.
Integrate all pilots and have fences so the Midwest/Frontier furloughed pilots have rights to the growth at their airline.
08-21-2009, 11:45 AM
#125
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what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloughed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloughed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.
08-21-2009, 11:57 AM
#127
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Unsure about these mergers, but one difference with the Republic/Midwest merger is that we were in contract negotiations and your pilots were unfurloughed just months ago to replace us.
TPG/BB tried to get Midwest pilots to agree to a new low in E190 wages before moving forward with the merger. They were trying to whipsaw Midwest against Republic.
After the Midwest E190 negotiations failed. TPG/BB moved to save on training costs before the merger.
This merger has been in the works for almost a year.
08-21-2009, 12:09 PM
#128
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Yes I think that is fair. I just don't think you are going to get 2000 RAH pilots to agree that all Midwest guys should be recalled if it means that 300 RAH guys take their spots on the street. I say integrate everyone with relative seniority , even furloughs. However nobody gets put on the street that is an active pilot. Even if that means that someone with more seniority is currently furloughed. Once the pilot is recalled (first rights onto their original airline) from furlough they just take their spot in the new integrated space of the seniority list. With a few year airline lock...
If that makes any sense...
If that makes any sense...
08-21-2009, 01:42 PM
#130
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Bear392 if you haven't seen anyone wanting DOH do a search on users 320toBearz for starters.
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