H.R.3371 The Actual Bill
08-01-2009, 09:55 AM
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I have no idea what the PRIA says on this matter, but in a previous life in corporate management I was told very specifically NOT to answer any questions about previous employees, good or bad. Dates of employment was all we could say. Anything else opened up the company to potential liability (I guess your past employer isn't allowed to actively try to prevent you from getting new employment, and sharing your negative opinions or even the facts about their dismissal could cross that line).
So long story short, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the only response an airline got was "Yes/No" for "eligible for rehire" from the PRIA.
So long story short, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the only response an airline got was "Yes/No" for "eligible for rehire" from the PRIA.
The weakness in PRIA is that unscrupulous entry-level aviation employers (most of them) can use the threat of formal discipline to coerce employees since the potential career impact is so great.
08-01-2009, 11:15 AM
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I don't think there are any specific times listed yet. Wouldn't be surprised if it were, let's say 200-600ish. Your guess is as good as mine. It will be up to the Administrator.
08-01-2009, 12:51 PM
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Yeah I saw the " determined by the administrator " Thing...Hope some good comes out of all this.
08-01-2009, 01:56 PM
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08-01-2009, 02:38 PM
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Once the rule is implemented, all applicants (Prospective Flight Crewmembers) will be forced to have an ATP immediately. Obliviously, I don't expect any pilots will be able to get away with this since I don't think anyone will be hiring in the next two years, but that's another topic.
With that said, if you’re a crewmember below 1,500 hours, you will most likely have 3 to 5 years to get that ATP as of today. If you have never flown for the airlines, you will need an ATP to apply by the time hiring picks up.
08-01-2009, 03:50 PM
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Hi!
Will this apply to -121, or only -121 Domestic/International, and -121 supplemental will have a different set of rules?
What about the -135/-121 carriers like Cape Air or Great Lakes?
What about -135? -125?
cliff
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Will this apply to -121, or only -121 Domestic/International, and -121 supplemental will have a different set of rules?
What about the -135/-121 carriers like Cape Air or Great Lakes?
What about -135? -125?
cliff
NBO
08-01-2009, 04:00 PM
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Cliff,
I am hoping the new rest rules eliminate 121 Supp altogether
I am hoping the new rest rules eliminate 121 Supp altogether
08-01-2009, 04:49 PM
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Cliff, the link to the bill is right on the first page. The bill isn't that long, is broken down into sections with big titles.... skim through the titles and I'm sure you will find your answers in the paragraphs.
08-01-2009, 05:17 PM
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Once the rule is implemented, all applicants (Prospective Flight Crewmembers) will be forced to have an ATP immediately. Obliviously, I don't expect any pilots will be able to get away with this since I don't think anyone will be hiring in the next two years, but that's another topic.
The laws calls for immediate enhancements in the screening of new-hires, but does NOT require an ATP for them. It does not give any real details about the screening process either, that being left up to the administrator (FAA).
The only language regarding the ATP says everyone has to have one three years after passage of the bill.
08-01-2009, 06:03 PM
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with student starts way down and only so many banners to tow, it is going to be really hard for someone to build time for an ATP. I don't know the answer, I guess I did it somehow, but those were different times. Good luck to the new entrant.
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