ASA is furloughing... it's official
07-13-2009, 06:04 PM
#51
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I never really thought about how the process of the merger would go about. Good point/s.
It still seems that SkyWest would still offer at least some temporary gigs for us if they are really short. Sounds good on paper at least.
It still seems that SkyWest would still offer at least some temporary gigs for us if they are really short. Sounds good on paper at least.
07-13-2009, 06:29 PM
#52
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Currently I understand the pecking order for a SKW new hire class is as follows:
1. UAL furloughees
2. ASA furloughees
3. Poolies
4. Interviewees
07-13-2009, 06:47 PM
#53
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And what are they suppose to do? Better yet what can they do? In other words, has ASA violated your contract with these furloughs?
Didn't think so..........so how can a union legally hold the company to something you never agreed too? The pilots being furloughed have no furlough protection, right? Now if ASA furloughs protected pilots and ALPA does nothing then you can repost the above and I’ll agree with you. Until then all your union can do is wish you the best.
Didn't think so..........so how can a union legally hold the company to something you never agreed too? The pilots being furloughed have no furlough protection, right? Now if ASA furloughs protected pilots and ALPA does nothing then you can repost the above and I’ll agree with you. Until then all your union can do is wish you the best.
07-13-2009, 06:51 PM
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A fitting video based on the circumstances I'm facing.........
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07-13-2009, 06:54 PM
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Very few airlines have a merger clause that will force an instant merger -- XJT and RAH are the two that I think off off hand. XJT had willing management that agreed to that language, and RAH gave up a lot in their 03 contract to get the language (they have terrible workrules compared to the rest of the industry).
Regardless of the NMB, your 07 TA was passed by the majority thus allowing SKW and ASA to remain separate. ASA's pilots aren't "solely" responsible because 65% of SKW pilots voted down ALPA thus stoping the merger from our end. In short I’m saying that we are where we are because of the shortsightedness of the majority at both airlines.
With a more favorable NMB, one list may be possible this go around. However, everything comes at a price. What are you willing to give up to get it?
I'll give the scope issue to you. As for the “massive concessions” part, believe what you want but they played the game and won by buying you out.
However, remember it's the same people that own us that own you. Right now we're getting shafted, but for the whipsaw to continue to work, one airline can't just be taking it in the shorts forever.
07-13-2009, 07:37 PM
#57
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As for the TA, yeah I meant 07 contract…….it’s late.
Good night.
07-13-2009, 08:30 PM
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I agree and we’ll just have to see what the future holds. Remember that once the purchase of ASA was complete they didn’t give ASA the boot in SLC for some time. Also remember that 5 of our CR9's are ATL based so in order to give ASA all the ATL CR9 flying Mgmnt would have to transfer. Unfortunately I agree with ASA pilot’s perception that they are step children so I don’t see the transfer happening.
But you're right, we will be whipsawed against one another but the boat sailed on merging when Jerry and friends bought you guys out of your language. Of course when the time comes ASA pilots will point their fingers at SKW pilots because we're non-union, claiming we're the reason for this cluster. Remember that our best chance at one voice died with your new TA so that means the majority at ASA are just as guilty as the majority at SKW when the battle begins.
IM about sick of ALPA. There constant taking of my money and doing what with it? Representing me? Yeah right!!! ALPA guys care about one thing....And thats ALPA guys. If a new guy has something to say thats important, they turn and say and I quote "you are new to this, You will understand when you gain some seniority."
Vote ALPA out and merge with SKW!!!
Vote ALPA out and merge with SKW!!!
I still don't see why ASA pilots are "equally responsible." In our 2007 contract we negotiated scope provisions that, while not one list, keep what's ours ours. The fact that no further airplanes have been transferred between the companies shows that it has worked and that management is not willing to comply with our rules about aircraft transfers.
You're talking scope.................I'm talking whipsaw. Did you or did you not have merger language when SKW purchased you? Regardless of the NMB, your 07 TA was passed by the majority thus allowing SKW and ASA to remain separate. ASA's pilots aren't "solely" responsible because 65% of SKW pilots voted down ALPA thus stoping the merger from our end. In short I’m saying that we are where we are because of the shortsightedness of the majority at both airlines.
I'll give the scope issue to you. As for the “massive concessions” part, believe what you want but they played the game and won by buying you out.
I'll give the scope issue to you. As for the “massive concessions” part, believe what you want but they played the game and won by buying you out.
The ASA contract, like any contract, is a comprimise between two entities. Both entities were willing to trade certain things for others while getting something else in return. The SKW union vote was just a surrender.
Last edited by Nevets; 07-13-2009 at 10:26 PM.
07-13-2009, 09:23 PM
#59
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well....at least we have the option of coming over to Skywest if they start hiring again before ASA recalls...that's not a bad deal....it's really the only positive thing I have to look forward to, well that and college footballl starting soon
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