sweptback

I don't follow. Are you saying that ASA pilots are solely responsible for pursuing one list? I think our best chance for one list failed with the resounding "no" vote from the SkyWest ALPA drive.

JoeyMeatballs

classy......................

JetJock16

WOW, just what I expected. Here let me point out what you missed...............
For clarification I guess I should have said "equally responsible." Bottom line is that both pilot group majorities failed one another.

SpiraMirabilis

Skywest girl captain I know had a line for the first time in a long time. I think its the at risk flying

samuraiguytn

Being one of the new furloughies, I think it blows. The chief pilots did an excellent job in letting us know of the furlough. Then all of the memos came out from upper mngmnt. Which of course made me feel like a tool, not to mention that I worked for Tools.

As far as ASA verses SKW, When ever I taxi out behind one, I say im following company. HA. I also think that we should merge. IM about sick of ALPA. There constant taking of my money and doing what with it? Representing me? Yeah right!!! ALPA guys care about one thing....And thats ALPA guys. If a new guy has something to say thats important, they turn and say and I quote "you are new to this, You will understand when you gain some seniority."

Im not just mad that I am losing my job while I have a kid on the way, Im mad that my representation does nothing to protect me and My employer cares nothing but saving a short term penny to please an airline that is overly frugal. Oh and to through another kick in the pants. I just dropped 200 bucks to keep my flight benefits for the next year two weeks ago. Guess who is out 200 Bucks.

SO my last few words of my rant are. Vote ALPA out and merge with SKW!!!

JetJock16

Yep, a buddy of mine who was hired at SKW in Oct 07 (RJ) just got his first line. He's never broken guarantee and now he will.

cubflyer

Click on APC Forums page and this advertisement comes up....Does this seem ironic to anyone????????????? Furlough the ASA guys and get cheap tickets on SKYW. HMMMMMMMMMMM?!?!??

sweptback

I just don't understand why people think this. If ALPA was voted out of ASA, who would negotiate the merging of the lists? Hell, who would convince management that it would be a good idea?

All that would happen would be that ASA would be separated into the "good ASA" and the "bad ASA". The "good ASA" (70/90s) would be transferred to SkyWest, lowering their costs further by hiring new people, and all the senior ASA guys flying them would be out of a job. The "bad ASA" (50s) would be slowly bled down like Comair, taking advantage of any future 2-for-1 deals by moving the 900s to SKW and bleeding the 200s from ASA.

As for the $200 in travel fees, contest the charge with your credit card company. Explain that it was a required fee for your job, and now you are being laid off and the company will not refund it. You will get your money back, credit card companies are very pro-consumer when it comes to chargebacks.

sweptback

I still don't see why ASA pilots are "equally responsible." In our 2007 contract we negotiated scope provisions that, while not one list, keep what's ours ours. The fact that no further airplanes have been transferred between the companies shows that it has worked and that management is not willing to comply with our rules about aircraft transfers.

In fact, we negotiated scope for SkyWest pilots. If their airplanes are transferred to ASA, their pilots get to bid on coming over to our side and are integrated fairly. It also covers aircraft transfers to any yet-unknown SKW entities... which would have come into play had the XJT purchase gone through, or any future purchase down the road.

What scope has SkyWest ever negotiated for ASA pilots? All I remember was the big fat finger they gave us after the ALPA drive.

The fact that we were not able to achieve one list during our last negotiations was based more on an unfriendly NMB and an unfriendly management team. In fact, negotiating one list would most likely result in massive concessions (a la Eagle's 16 year contract) to get the deal done. After all the concessions were agreed to, guess who's contract the SkyWest pilots would be operating under?

In fact, if ASA and SkyWest were to merge right now, ASA would lose big time. We have about 10% of our list on furlough, and 65 captains that will be soon FOs again. Even if there was a DOH merge (which would never happen because it would favor ASA), furloughs would go to the bottom of the combined list, and the newly displaced captains would stay as FOs on the list.

So, it's a "be careful for what you wish for" scenario for sure.

JetJock16

You're talking scope.................I'm talking whipsaw. Did you or did you not have merger language when SKW purchased you? Regardless of the NMB, your 07 TA was passed by the majority thus allowing SKW and ASA to remain separate. ASA's pilots aren't "solely" responsible because 65% of SKW pilots voted down ALPA thus stoping the merger from our end. In short I’m saying that we are where we are because of the shortsightedness of the majority at both airlines.

I'll give the scope issue to you. As for the “massive concessions” part, believe what you want but they played the game and won by buying you out.